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Above is the link to order T shirts. Try to get your orders in this weekend and Brian will order up the shirts we need on Monday. For now only US orders. I will try to investigate shipping overseas and if at all possible i can have him allow you to order and we will come up with a general shipping price and I can have my staff ship from my business since we have an account with Shopify.
Good day today. At the airport by 5am, on the road by 1pm. 900km (560mi) in 8.5hrs. Just me and the car. I used a more "advanced" break in method and was able to get it all done on the way home. I haven't redlined it but did take it to 7k as part of the break in process and a few times in twisty sections. I love this car. I'm tired and will leave my review for another day but needles to say, I'm very, very happy with the car.
1. To me, the graphics package is the least interesting part about the T. You may have heard me mention that the current T is not the successor to the 68 911T. It's actually the successor to the 87 3.2 Clubsport. BMW owned the rights to the word Clubsport and didn't allow Porsche use of it so they had to dig into their history for another reference and came up with the T. However, if you look at the specs of the 3.2 Clubsport, it's exactly the recipe for the 991/992 T. That's what I care about. The specs. The stickers and rims not so much.
Congrats on getting the car old friend! The wheels are absolutely perfect!
Your points on the 911 CS of the late 80s are spot on and what I've mentioned to many. That car was under the radar and not really appreciated by contemporary press reports either, just like the 991.2 T. There is another car that closely fits this mold: the 964RS America. I feel this model was cumbersomely named (it is not now nor ever was an RS!) but had similar specs: M030/sport chassis, cloth sport seats, de-contented interior, standard 964 engine. VERY few options, the only one it needed was Code 220, the limited slip diff. Sunroof was on the options list but not a lot else.
911 CS by name or in spirit: late 80's Carrera CS, early 90's 964RS America, and 911 Carrera T in both 991.2 and 992 versions.
EDIT: by the way.....ONE picture? Don't be a tease!
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Do we know if the sample shirt combo will be available....grey shirt, python logo?
That's what I would like, but the ordering only provides black or white shirts, and no green car. I'd be ok doing black shirt with white car, or the car color to match the lettering. What color is that lettering on the front?
Congrats on getting the car old friend! The wheels are absolutely perfect!
Your points on the 911 CS of the late 80s are spot on and what I've mentioned to many. That car was under the radar and not really appreciated by contemporary press reports either, just like the 991.2 T. There is another car that closely fits this mold: the 964RS America. I feel this model was cumbersomely named (it is not now nor ever was an RS!) but had similar specs: M030/sport chassis, cloth sport seats, de-contented interior, standard 964 engine. VERY few options, the only one it needed was Code 220, the limited slip diff. Sunroof was on the options list but not a lot else.
911 CS by name or in spirit: late 80's Carrera CS, early 90's 964RS America, and 911 Carrera T in both 991.2 and 992 versions.
EDIT: by the way.....ONE picture? Don't be a tease!
Thank you Timmy! Can't wait for yours. More pics on the way...
This "911 CS by name or in spirit: late 80's Carrera CS, early 90's 964RS America, and 911 Carrera T in both 991.2 and 992 versions."
Let me first get the obvious out of the way: this is long and amateurish after one day of seat time but it was 8.5hrs of the car and I bonding and it might be fun to share my thoughts before the honeymoon ends and maybe, maybe not, my opinion changes.
First of all, if you go back some several hundred pages on this very thread when I started posting here, you'll find evidence of flaming for mentioning that this 992T was ordered as a backup plan to finding the perfect 991T. I was uninspired by the 992's size, staggered wheels, and tech and wanted something a little more analog. I mean, I'm mostly an aircooled NA guy and the idea of a non-turbo turbo was already a stretch for me. Well, times have changed and I'm a 992 convert. I love not just the T but the generation and find that in true Porsche form, it is the best yet, knowing full well that "best" is a very broad and relative term. It's also worth noting, for those who don't know, my other current 911 is a 7.2 GT3 with PCCB's, so I have that as a reference point too in addition to the 7 aircooled 911s I've owned. With all this said, and with zero creed as a car reviewer, these are my first thoughts on the T in no particular order:
Power As I mentioned earlier, I broke the car in using my own method, which is mostly a combination of Porsche's recommendations, information I learned long ago, and information that was shared with me by another member, who shall remain incognito as he didn't want to post publicly on the topic. Point being that by about 700km, my car was fully broken in and I had rev'd up to 7k and wound up to about 280km/h, so what I write is in the context of an engine that felt more powerful, free revving and loose than before break in. The car is plenty fast. It feels more NA than turbo and the only dead giveaway is the torque down low. I was considering getting the M Engineering tune and I don't think I will at this point. It's faster than 98% can handle and just slower enough that it makes you work, which is the fun part and the point for people like me. I would bet good money that this car is on par if not above performance compared to a stock 7GT3 on an average course and on par or just below with a 2GT3 in canyon roads due to the T's torque.
Handling My car is now lowered, which obviously increases camber and I have yet to get it aligned and properly sorted but as is, in OEM+ form, the car is very, very impressive. On the drive home, I encountered long straights, cambered sweepers, and tight turns. While I know the road, I was just getting to know the car so I wasn't constantly push it to its limit of grip but did breach traction at speed a handful of times and it took a lot for me to do so. Despite it's technological advancement, it's nice that it maintains that traditional 911 light feel in the front end. I did find that one has to push the 992 a lot more to feel it than previous generations but it's there. I also drove through light and heavy rain and I must say that I don't remember ever feeling this level of confidence on wet roads in a 911. It's just so refined and grown up, yet retains that unmistakeable 911 feel. If I had to name one reason for buying a 911, it's handling and this car impressed me, especially as a non-GT car. On a final note, I find the stock suspension on my GT3 to be nothing short of irritating on very poor roads. I don't find that to be the case with the T. It's definitely touter than my Macan with air suspension but for a 911, especially now that mine is lowered, I find the rebound and compression dialed in as the perfect balance between compliant for street use and tight for precision at speed.
Sound Like I said before, the car feels more NA than turbo. Much of that has to do with the very quick spool up and linear power delivery but it also has to do with the sound. The car does not sound like a turbo in the cabin. You really have to listen hard to hear any turbo noises in stock form. I find both the note and the volume to be absolutely perfect, which is why I don't think I'll be getting the M tune after all. I just don't want to mess with something that is so pleasing to me by increasing boost or opening up the gates more. Some mention that it's not loud enough on the outside and my response to that is, who cares? I don't need to announce my arrival. I only need to find pleasure in the drive and that happens inside. I don't know if my car is louder than most due to the rear-seat delete which seems to be the exception more so than the norm, but the volume is perfect for my taste. In Normal Mode its quieter and has more of a stock 3.2 kind of sound. Higher pitched and its almost as if Porsche managed to get turbo sounds to sound like aircooled noises. On Sport and Sport+, it's louder and sounds more growly and GT like. And that pitch at around 7k people keep talking about? It's there and it's glorious. I'm 100% satisfied with the sound and doubt I'll mess with it. Oh, and I guess I should add that there is lots of cabin noise, and tire noise, and that makes the car all that more perfect for my taste. It's a kinda raw 911, not a Cadillac.
Gearbox There is a fascination with comparing this gearbox to that of the GT3 and I don't know why. Yes, GT3 boxes of all generations are very precise and the one in mine is truly something but it doesn't belong on a car that is mostly for street use. I find the shifter snappy enough, direct enough and comfortable enough not to be a nuisance when you just want to relax and yet good enough for spirited use. The ratios are perfect to keep the driver engaged and rowing. I found myself driving mostly between 3k and 5k. 6th is only if you're getting on the higher range of 200km/h and 7th is really just for cruising at high speed, like in the Autobahn. I did miss gates more than a handful of times, mostly or exclusively in 5th and 6th but that's just a question of time. I don't know what I would ask for if I wanted to improve the gearbox and I certainly wouldn't want my GT3 box in this car.
Brakes Not much to say here. The car stops like a 911. Had PCCBs been an option, I would've been inclined to option them and that might have been a mistake. These "little" brakes are very impressive. I didn't push them enough to get fade but that's a limit I look forward to finding.
Seats and cabin Seats are important and I almost didn't order the car because I couldn't get PCCBs or buckets. After driving the car with 4 ways and standard brakes, both options would've been a waste of money. The 4 ways were not quite as comfortable as my Macan's 18 ways but almost. I like that they are light compared to the 18 ways and basic with manual adjustment and that they don't quite hold you in place like buckets but, again, almost. I have nothing bad to say. At least for my body type at 5'10" and 200lbs. The seating position is perfect. The PCM is excellent, though I haven't really played with it much, I get the gripes about the first and fifth dial but, really, who cares. I don't have the visibility problems that others have mentioned. I find the fit and finish to be excellent. I really like how it's a throwback to the aircooled cabin but updated. I feel at home.
If any or all of this sounds like I'm looking at the car through rose colored glasses, you're probably right. I gave fair warning that this was my first drive and I'm in my honeymoon. But I like to think of myself as someone objective and I don't like nonsense. I'm having a hard time thinking that, for my intended use, mostly canyon roads and road trips, I need more. I'm glad I didn't get a base, or an S or a GTS. I'm questioning, given an allocation, if a GT3T makes sense. Turbos are not for me. Even the second T allocation that may or may not be offered to me is coming into question. I really feel like I nailed my spec and especially for the $128k price tag.
Anyway, this is all just one guy's take and I'm sure others will have a different opinion. I only hope all of you get to enjoy your cars are much as I've enjoyed mine on the first drive.
My wonderful SA just offered me another T allocation. I took it. I’m over the moon! Not to mention my first T hits the Baltimore port tomorrow. I’m hoping PTS opens up but if it doesn’t I’m going shark blue. No ADM.
My wonderful SA just offered me another T allocation. I took it. I’m over the moon! Not to mention my first T hits the Baltimore port tomorrow. I’m hoping PTS opens up but if it doesn’t I’m going shark blue. No ADM.
Nice! What are your plans? Are you going to keep both?
Glad you enjoyed it. Hard to find something not to be happy with. It surpassed my expectations.
Great review! I love reading these because I’ve never driven a liquid cooled 911. I’m 60 years old and have had 2 air cooled 911’s up until now. Can’t wait to drive the T!!
Let me first get the obvious out of the way: this is long and amateurish after one day of seat time but it was 8.5hrs of the car and I bonding and it might be fun to share my thoughts before the honeymoon ends and maybe, maybe not, my opinion changes.
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If any or all of this sounds like I'm looking at the car through rose colored glasses, you're probably right. I gave fair warning that this was my first drive and I'm in my honeymoon. But I like to think of myself as someone objective and I don't like nonsense. I'm having a hard time thinking that, for my intended use, mostly canyon roads and road trips, I need more. I'm glad I didn't get a base, or an S or a GTS. I'm questioning, given an allocation, if a GT3T makes sense. Turbos are not for me. Even the second T allocation that may or may not be offered to me is coming into question. I really feel like I nailed my spec and especially for the $128k price tag.
Anyway, this is all just one guy's take and I'm sure others will have a different opinion. I only hope all of you get to enjoy your cars are much as I've enjoyed mine on the first drive.
Cheers.
Nice review. Thanks for taking the time to write this all out. I also found your take very interesting since you have some good cars to use as reference points.
For me, I have a lot of specific opinions as I compare the T to my Cayman GTS4.0. Like how the 6 spd is way better than the 7spd. How the 911 brakes are far superior. How the NA 4.0 feels and sounds better, at least in close to stock forms. But overall, I think I can sum it up very succinctly like this:
The 911 is gorgeous and iconic. I love looking at it, being seen in it, and just being around it. And the 911 is a MONSTER when it comes to traction, gotta love that rear engine weight bias. I can see why it wins races. I just love the car!
The Cayman GTS 4.0 fits like a skin-tight, leather glove. It cuts like a scalpel and I feel totally one with the car. I love that mid-engine balance, how that NA 4.0 pulls and sounds, and I particularly love the smaller size of the car in general. I just love the car!
Final answer? After my recent 700 mile road trip and high speed seat time in the 911, I came home and jumped into the 718 today, and I felt like I was home. While you can't pick favorites between your kids, often times parents secretly do!
Nice! What are your plans? Are you going to keep both?
Im not sure. I am sure I’ll have plenty of time to decide. Im guessing it’s going to take at least a year after I lock in, we’ll see…..my journey continues.
Great review! I love reading these because I’ve never driven a liquid cooled 911. I’m 60 years old and have had 2 air cooled 911’s up until now. Can’t wait to drive the T!!
I think you'll be very pleased. I know I am.
Originally Posted by AdamIsAdam
Nice review. Thanks for taking the time to write this all out. I also found your take very interesting since you have some good cars to use as reference points.
For me, I have a lot of specific opinions as I compare the T to my Cayman GTS4.0. Like how the 6 spd is way better than the 7spd. How the 911 brakes are far superior. How the NA 4.0 feels and sounds better, at least in close to stock forms. But overall, I think I can sum it up very succinctly like this:
The 911 is gorgeous and iconic. I love looking at it, being seen in it, and just being around it. And the 911 is a MONSTER when it comes to traction, gotta love that rear engine weight bias. I can see why it wins races. I just love the car!
The Cayman GTS 4.0 fits like a skin-tight, leather glove. It cuts like a scalpel and I feel totally one with the car. I love that mid-engine balance, how that NA 4.0 pulls and sounds, and I particularly love the smaller size of the car in general. I just love the car!
Final answer? After my recent 700 mile road trip and high speed seat time in the 911, I came home and jumped into the 718 today, and I felt like I was home. While you can't pick favorites between your kids, often times parents secretly do!
Have you driven NA 911s? I bet a 997S might feel like a blend of both your cars. I very much miss the small cabin of the aircooled cars. It's the reason I was considering a GT4. That and things like analog gauges. The 992 is a different beast. During the drive I observed the headlight humps and thought to myself "man, this car is so much bigger than my old cars..." The older cars feel like an extension of your arm. There is no nonsense stuff in the cabin. They have only what you need and nothing more and driving them feels like moving an extension of your limbs. But the 992 is not a grand tourer despite its size. It's very agile and you can feel the DNA. It's just bigger and has more bling, though not mine because I built it as a stripper.
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