2021 Delivery Date?
10-23-2020, 12:16 AM
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I don't know of any OEM that would risk giving a vehicle to a dealer on the chance that the dealer would try to sell it to a consumer prior to EPA/CARB certification. There is no telling what a dealer might try and do, even IF you as the OEM don't give the dealer an MSO.
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10-23-2020, 12:19 AM
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10-23-2020, 12:19 AM
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Yea, that can be printed any time. The question is if the vehicle gets titled.
I don't know of any OEM that would risk giving a vehicle to a dealer on the chance that the dealer would try to sell it to a consumer prior to EPA/CARB certification. There is no telling what a dealer might try and do, even IF you as the OEM don't give the dealer an MSO.
I don't know of any OEM that would risk giving a vehicle to a dealer on the chance that the dealer would try to sell it to a consumer prior to EPA/CARB certification. There is no telling what a dealer might try and do, even IF you as the OEM don't give the dealer an MSO.
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10-23-2020, 12:23 AM
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https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...4-present.xlsx
line 2411 under Volkswagen group family, is 2021 Porsche Cayenne. Cayennes are EPA emissions certified.
line 2411 under Volkswagen group family, is 2021 Porsche Cayenne. Cayennes are EPA emissions certified.
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10-23-2020, 12:28 AM
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According to the Monroney Label this Cayenne should be sitting at the Porsche Dealer in Thousand Oaks California.
Rusnak/Westlake Porsche, 3839 Auto Mall Drive Thousand Oaks, CA 91362
Picture of the car this Monroney is from, is on their Website is attached.
Anyone local that might want to pay a visit up close and personal?
Rusnak/Westlake Porsche, 3839 Auto Mall Drive Thousand Oaks, CA 91362
Picture of the car this Monroney is from, is on their Website is attached.
Anyone local that might want to pay a visit up close and personal?
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10-23-2020, 12:41 AM
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I guess the question is can they print this without official fuel economy figures, and would EPA authorize a fuel economy number without the car being emissions certified? Agreed that Porsche won't release a bunch of vehicles to various dealers without it being approved -- they would be in hot water if a non-compliant vehicle got sold to a customer.
10-23-2020, 01:03 AM
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My bad! I had assumed (and we know all about that word) that the Excel file EPA posted was already fully sorted by Model Year . . . . but apparently NOT!
The Porsche's shown are all 3.0L DCT 2Wheel Drive Cayenne's.
What's really curious is that they're showing them as having passed CARB certification tests as well. Although the CARB site is still not showing anything after the end of August.
What fun! NOT!
The Porsche's shown are all 3.0L DCT 2Wheel Drive Cayenne's.
What's really curious is that they're showing them as having passed CARB certification tests as well. Although the CARB site is still not showing anything after the end of August.
What fun! NOT!
10-23-2020, 01:09 AM
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10-23-2020, 02:48 AM
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My bad! I had assumed (and we know all about that word) that the Excel file EPA posted was already fully sorted by Model Year . . . . but apparently NOT!
The Porsche's shown are all 3.0L DCT 2Wheel Drive Cayenne's.
What's really curious is that they're showing them as having passed CARB certification tests as well. Although the CARB site is still not showing anything after the end of August.
What fun! NOT!
The Porsche's shown are all 3.0L DCT 2Wheel Drive Cayenne's.
What's really curious is that they're showing them as having passed CARB certification tests as well. Although the CARB site is still not showing anything after the end of August.
What fun! NOT!
10-23-2020, 09:31 AM
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This all assumes that someone at the EPA is “Johnny On The Spot” with updating this list. Who knows the lag between when vehicles are certified and the list is updated. I doubt they’re that fast with it.
10-23-2020, 12:55 PM
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But — rather curious if P-cars have actually received EPA/CARB clearance but PCNA has not released cars in bulk.
10-23-2020, 01:18 PM
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Says the person who is now posting a smart *** comment. I'm not the one complaining about needing to see physical proof that these cars do indeed exist on dealer lots...but thanks for the wisdom old man.
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10-23-2020, 01:32 PM
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Hey folks, can we all calm down - I love Rennlist but this thread with its bickering is getting me down . . . . . I need this escape.
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