speedyj

Stop arguing ur wrong.

fuel consumption numbers are released once certification occurs. Stop being a difficult “dude”. The monroney label has been released per my SA on the Cayennes.

Knutsm01

Use Vin Analytics and look at the photos with the time and date on the dash. Use common sense and stop trying to stir the pot.

peterdouglas

ok “DUDE” - I’m sure you are (NOT “ur”) correct.
So you can prove it with your in-person photographs of actual my2021 cars on the lot for sale. Looking forward to that.

of course I am also sure you are making a sound judgment in relying on your “SA” for honest and accurate information, so presumably they can provide the definitive proof now, without delay.

gravedgr

Rennlist.....come for the info, stay for the snark.

peterdouglas

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Knutsm01

2021 Porsche Cayenne S
Division:PCNACommission #:E15355 Prod Month:2020-08-20VIN:WP1AB2AY1MDA27106Price:$113,380.00Exterior:ChalkInterior:Standard Interior in Black BASECayenne S0NCPORSCHE Logo in Satin Black and Model Designation in High Gloss Black0P6Sport Tailpipes in Black2D5SportDesign Package in High Gloss Black3HChalk48Y22" Cayenne Sport Classic Wheels in High Gloss Black incl. Wheel Arch Extensions in Exterior Color4D3Ventilated Seats (Front)8JTLED Headlights in Black incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)AMStandard Interior in BlackGZ2Soft Close DoorsKA6Surround ViewPFAPremium PackageQJ4Window Trim in High Gloss BlackZ1SIncluded First Year / 10,000 Mile Maintenance

From Vin Analytics

https://www.porschewest.com/new/Pors...932edaabfa.htm

speedyj

Yah, ur a complete moron

frankchn

The Excel spreadsheet was last updated two weeks ago, according to file metadata. It is quite likely that the EPA has continued to approve cars after that date and I don't think they will update the spreadsheet every time they approve a single new model.

peterdouglas

“likely” - perhaps.
Certain - NOT until formally published by EPA.

Benno911

From a 2021 Cayenne in a US dealer. Manufactured last month.

peterdouglas

great - look forward to actual in-person on-site pix!
until then - not entirely reliable.

frankchn

True, but the evidence suggests that they are likely approved.

On the one hand, we have a now two week old EPA spreadsheet that doesn't contain any Porsche vehicles for 2021, and on the other hand we have:

• Official EPA fuel economy numbers published for Cayennes (and not 911s -- which makes sense, we have not heard anything about 911s being approved or shipped to the dealers. As far as we know, all 2021 911s are still at port).
  I don't think EPA will publish official fuel economy figures for vehicles that are not certified, simply because the numbers could be wrong. If a vehicle requires updates to pass emissions, it is very possible that fuel economy figures will have to change (e.g. engine has to be updated to run richer and cooler for lower NOx, affecting fuel economy).
• Multiple dealer websites from all over the country publishing real, non-configurator generated photos of 2021 Cayennes along with 2021 VINs. The photos also match the build sheet in vinanalytics.com as to colors, wheels, and options as far as we can tell.

I think on balance, it is probably more likely that the Cayennes are approved for sale (and the 911s are not), rather than some weird confluence of events that caused many 2021 Cayennes to be accidentally shipped and photographed by multiple dealers around the country. A few accidentally released to one dealership I can see being an error, but many cars released to many dealerships must be deliberate on the part of Porsche.

Bluehighways

Looks good! It is a 2021 Model Year VIN. Hopefully this picture is from a Cayenne that is here in the US and NOT on Porsche Corporate property.

frankchn

For some additional data point, here is the Monroney sticker for this car: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=566176372



Not sure they are allowed to print that unless the vehicle is approved for sale.

peterdouglas

great - but hard to see how any of that is relevant in any respect to 992 vehicles.