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The name of the Green color in the photo?
If you take a look at the German Porsche configurator for the new 718 GTS 4.0 there is a Green option which appears to be called "Python" green. It appears to be slightly darker than Porsche's known "Viper" green. Of course pythons and vipers are very different snakes. I like both colors, but I'd take the Viper green every time.
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than the Carrera engine.
Besides which, that still doesn’t address the major tax issue of 3.0 vs 3.8L in the second largest world market for Porsche.
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how do you know this exactly? And it stands to reason that the 3.8L capital T Turbo engine is almost certainly likely more expensive to make
than the Carrera engine.
Besides which, that still doesn’t address the major tax issue of 3.0 vs 3.8L in the second largest world market for Porsche.
than the Carrera engine.
Besides which, that still doesn’t address the major tax issue of 3.0 vs 3.8L in the second largest world market for Porsche.
There are multiple Porsche models that don t care China tax
Cayman GTS and GT4
Cayenne Turbo
Panamera GTS and Turbo
992 Turbo
just to mention some of the > 3liters models in spite of the China tax
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how do you know this exactly? And it stands to reason that the 3.8L capital T Turbo engine is almost certainly likely more expensive to make
than the Carrera engine.
Besides which, that still doesn’t address the major tax issue of 3.0 vs 3.8L in the second largest world market for Porsche.
than the Carrera engine.
Besides which, that still doesn’t address the major tax issue of 3.0 vs 3.8L in the second largest world market for Porsche.
Only the GT3/RS/Speedster motor costs significantly more to build, mostly due to the ability to rev to 9k, dry sump, and basic platform shared with the endurance race cars Cup, 911R, and RSR. Adds things like Titanium conrods, hollow crankshaft with oiling to rod bearings through it, solid lifter valvetrain, etc.
I imagine the GT2 RS is the most costly wet sump motor to build (a bit more than TurboS and most of the extras are external to the motor), but far less than the GT3 motor. The 1,800 rpm lower redline simplifies its requirements.
PetevB has done some reviews of the parts complements of the various motors in the past.
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I agree that Porsche has never spent money
and RoW is gone mad with CO2 emissions (whilst the real CO2 is coming from agricultural and house heating systems )
718 GTS 4L is a very cheap engine in components and metallurgy when compared to any NA 4L Porsche built so far
all together bring to the conclusion that a detuned 3.8 Turbo
costs way less than a even more tuned Speedster engine
it is way way more ecofriendly than a more tuned Speedster engine
wondering why a GTS should be ready for production 2 years before the usual planning
to me that green 992 is not a GTS
and RoW is gone mad with CO2 emissions (whilst the real CO2 is coming from agricultural and house heating systems )
718 GTS 4L is a very cheap engine in components and metallurgy when compared to any NA 4L Porsche built so far
all together bring to the conclusion that a detuned 3.8 Turbo
costs way less than a even more tuned Speedster engine
it is way way more ecofriendly than a more tuned Speedster engine
wondering why a GTS should be ready for production 2 years before the usual planning
to me that green 992 is not a GTS
I also agree it seems far too early in the release cycle for Porsche to announce the GTS. The GTS is normally the kicker towards the end of cycle when sales slow due to the new or refresh model coming down the line, and really it's a price incentive, all of performance options for a reduced price + a negliable amount of added power.
Even if the green car is a GTS, nothing to say they will start building them in 2020, could be 2021 before the 992.2 comes to town in late 2021/22
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What if its coming out early cuz its awesome?!
But seriously, I recall that the 991.2 gts had a 2017, 2018, and 2019 model
But seriously, I recall that the 991.2 gts had a 2017, 2018, and 2019 model
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I also agree it seems far too early in the release cycle for Porsche to announce the GTS. The GTS is normally the kicker towards the end of cycle when sales slow due to the new or refresh model coming down the line, and really it's a price incentive, all of performance options for a reduced price + a negliable amount of added power.
Even if the green car is a GTS, nothing to say they will start building them in 2020, could be 2021 before the 992.2 comes to town in late 2021/22
Even if the green car is a GTS, nothing to say they will start building them in 2020, could be 2021 before the 992.2 comes to town in late 2021/22
Then the hybrids come...of course the OPF fitted 911s are going to sound so bad that maybe no one will care anymore.
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exactly. Porsche never spends money they don’t have to. Adjust the boost on current 3.0L engine, add parts bin option package, and you have a GTS, with almost no investment from Porsche, but a great return.
Also, keeping the 3.0L turbo displacement is important for tax purposes in china, which is now their second largest market.
992 GTS will be the same recipe as the 991.2, for both reasons.
Also, keeping the 3.0L turbo displacement is important for tax purposes in china, which is now their second largest market.
992 GTS will be the same recipe as the 991.2, for both reasons.
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EXCEPT that now Porsche has ALL Carrera models as wide body cars, lessening the value of getting a GTS vs previous gen cars. Porsche needs to give the GTS buyer a reason to spend more for the car vs a standard S or 4S, beyond an extra 25hp, centerlock wheels and alcantara interior. The GTS needs more to differentiate or people will skip the trim level.
I am in line for a 992 Turbo and I was told that it will be wider than the S and 4S. This is why I asked 2 pages back if the green car in photo was widebody or C4S/S body width? If the turbo is wider as I have been told, then the GTS will be wider as well and who knows or cares what is in the photo as they could slap center locks on anything.
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I broached this issue earlier. We can debate engine all we want and we shall see soon enough, but is the assumption this is a GTS based just on the center locks?
I am in line for a 992 Turbo and I was told that it will be wider than the S and 4S. This is why I asked 2 pages back if the green car in photo was widebody or C4S/S body width? If the turbo is wider as I have been told, then the GTS will be wider as well and who knows or cares what is in the photo as they could slap center locks on anything.
I am in line for a 992 Turbo and I was told that it will be wider than the S and 4S. This is why I asked 2 pages back if the green car in photo was widebody or C4S/S body width? If the turbo is wider as I have been told, then the GTS will be wider as well and who knows or cares what is in the photo as they could slap center locks on anything.
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Back to my original question, is the car in the photo a 992 C4S width and if so, why are we debating or thinking this is a GTS?
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GTS is going to be Turbo width? I don't buy it. We'll see. The GT2/GT3 RS, sure.
The Carrera, as it is, has a wide ***. The Turbo/GT3RS/GT2RS has the rear intakes to break up the increase width of the rear. Smooth fenders may look obese without the intakes.
The ultra wide *** has been reserved for the top tier models in the 991 gen. I have a hard time seeing them putting the GTS in that tier.
People are talking 3.8 liter engine GTS with Turbo width body - seriously -- what's the point of making any other higher tier car?
Cleaning lady rumors aside - the history of the GTS range has been pretty predictable. Who's to say what Porsche will do, but these changes would represent a wholesale departure and a significant price jump. Up to now, the GTS has always been the high value car.
The Carrera, as it is, has a wide ***. The Turbo/GT3RS/GT2RS has the rear intakes to break up the increase width of the rear. Smooth fenders may look obese without the intakes.
The ultra wide *** has been reserved for the top tier models in the 991 gen. I have a hard time seeing them putting the GTS in that tier.
People are talking 3.8 liter engine GTS with Turbo width body - seriously -- what's the point of making any other higher tier car?
Cleaning lady rumors aside - the history of the GTS range has been pretty predictable. Who's to say what Porsche will do, but these changes would represent a wholesale departure and a significant price jump. Up to now, the GTS has always been the high value car.
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The green car pictured doesn’t look any wider than a regular 992 Carrera. The TT/TTS car is visibly wider in all of the pictures. From other Carrera GTS photos posted, it looks like the car is not getting a special widebody over its Carrera siblings.
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What we know about 992 so far: C2, C2S, C4, C4S <<< Turbo, Turbo S
If they followed the 991, the 992 GTS models would have the same body as C4.
You seem to imply that 992 GTS will have the widest body of the Turbo. What's the source of that info?
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From NA engines and six speed manuals to extra wide bodies, there’s clearly a lot of fan fiction around both the Carrera GTS and Carrera T. 🤪
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