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Oh no, much worse than the 996 (which in fact I think has aged very well and was far ahead of its time, but that's just me).
Even if you hated its looks, the 996 was the dawn of the golden age of sports cars. The 20 years that followed resulted in fantastic cars with performances that were unimaginable a few years earlier. Now, the next 20 years will be a slow march towards the horror of electrification and self-driving and the negation of the simple, authentic sports car, which at some point will most likely conclude with the end of combustion engines (due to either legislation or loss of infrastructure) if not of human driving or even individual car ownership. I think we will call it the ****ty age of sports cars.
Actually, other than the headlights the 996 is a great looking car. And even then, I’ve never heard anyone complain about the headlights on the GT1.....
Actually, other than the headlights the 996 is a great looking car. And even then, I’ve never heard anyone complain about the headlights on the GT1.....
The silhouette is still all 911.... still looks good from the side and that swooping 911 fastback shape is still there especially from A-pillar to C-pillar.
I guess 'much ado about nothing' is expected any time a car that hasn't really changed in 50 yrs gets an update. no way does the person who is a casual observer tell the difference between 991.1, 991.2, or 992. im not even sure a car fanatic like me who owned a gt3 for 4 yrs as a daily driver can tell the difference at a glance. if you like 1, you should like the other and vice versa. maybe like one more than other, but not hate one and love the other.
This is not much ado about nothing, this is much ado about hideousness;
this is a community of Porsche enthusiasts not new to the brand rich old men or nouveau riche Chinese.
I would love to see their reaction to a statement like this from people that lost their opportunity to do a European delivery on a 993 when the 996 came out as I have here regarding wanting a 991 because of this new monstrosity but can’t get it delivered in the timeframe I want in Europe.This is not much ado about nothing, this is much ado about hideousness.
Since the release, lots of disappointment and indifference. See very little excitement overall. Everyone else seeing the same?
Even those who like it, aren't crazy about it.
Seems like they missed the mark on many fronts here. The chatter and media coverage will wane within a few weeks. Will be interesting to see sales after a year. MSRP's climbing could be an issue, especially when the economy cools. For most guys, these will be $140K+ MSRP's.
I guess 'much ado about nothing' is expected any time a car that hasn't really changed in 50 yrs gets an update. no way does the person who is a casual observer tell the difference between 991.1, 991.2, or 992. im not even sure a car fanatic like me who owned a gt3 for 4 yrs as a daily driver can tell the difference at a glance. if you like 1, you should like the other and vice versa. maybe like one more than other, but not hate one and love the other.
Agree 100%. I think I'm reasonably well versed on the nuances of the many 911 models in history and even I sometimes get confused flipping past pictures of 991s and 992s.
The agonized hand-wringing from 991 fans is especially interesting to watch, because IMO the 992 just isn't that different from the 991 on the outside. Yes, I could rattle off the bulleted list of the changes, but as whole the exterior is just not that drastic of an update. I am admittedly biased toward the older cars (964: peak 911; 997: peak water-cooled), but to me, if you bought into the 997>991 redesign, you're just as much a part of the 911's Chinese-market "Panamera coupe" Audi-fication as any 992 buyer will be.
I don't hate the 992. But, I'm not a huge fan of the back. I'm hoping they will do a facelift on it for the 992.2 and sharpen up some of those lines/curves.
Since the release, lots of disappointment and indifference. See very little excitement overall. Everyone else seeing the same?
Even those who like it, aren't crazy about it.
Yes
Originally Posted by STG
Seems like they missed the mark on many fronts here. The chatter and media coverage will wane within a few weeks. Will be interesting to see sales after a year. MSRP's climbing could be an issue, especially when the economy cools. For most guys, these will be $140K+ MSRP's.
Indeed. One possible reason why MSRPs (without the apostrophe ) may be increasing is to provide a runway for a sharp increase in the price of the GT# models, for Porsche to monetize the demand and allow less rent extraction by the dealers.
Actually, other than the headlights the 996 is a great looking car. And even then, I’ve never heard anyone complain about the headlights on the GT1.....
C4S was the prettiest of the 996 for sure...............
11-30-2018, 12:20 AM
) may be increasing is to provide a runway for a sharp increase in the price of the GT# models, for Porsche to monetize the demand and allow less rent extraction by the dealers.