Originally Posted by TRZ06

You can tell that the Front end lift is engaged in those pics.

I used to have the same mindset as you in regards to wheel gap, HOWEVER you learn that wheel gap is actually good for driving dynamics as it means the car has some suspension travel and thus can handle some road imperfections. No wheel gap is for aesthetics and usually means limited spring travel.

Originally Posted by AlexCeres

More FUD bs. McLarens depreciate and Porsches ADM. Buying new is a great way to lose money regardless. The guys who paid 100-150 over on a 3RS are not going to be better off depreciation wise if they actually drive their cars. Lambos, Aston’s, and Ferrari are basically the same. If you’re looking for an investment, a Porsche is pretty ****ing stupid compared to actual investments like stocks and real estate and businesses. Auto Taxes, maintenance, consumables. It’s just terrible. Cars are toys / art, and they cost money.

As for future products, yawn. No serious people are concerned. By serious people I mean actual owners. The whales ares shivving each other over pecking order for future products. Will Woking make it ? Maybe, maybe not. Porsche didn’t make it as a pure sports car company. Neither did Lotus, Ferrari, Lambo or … anyone. The actual owners will be fine, with irreplaceable ice auto art from an era before hybrids. Most of the dealers will be fine too.

Really all I hear is someone who can’t afford to play the supercar game make a bunch of excuses why they disagree with Chris Harris by paper racing. Thanks for your insight.

Originally Posted by 3-Pedals

I’d like to eat home made food, so I guess I should downgrade to a Ford and pass BMW on my way down?

Love the mentality here.

Its an extremely risky proposition. Your 570S is several years old and at this point if it hasnt had major issues, it wont. This isnt the case on brand new cars. You should read the mclaren forums once in a while, particularly Artura. Its the persistence of these issues and their duration of resolution are pillars of Mclaren’s failure as a business.

Some of the issues like wing not working in a brand new car, or door not properly opening due to body panel tolerance issues highlight lack of attention and emphasis on quality. Again, its a bit of cultural. Have you visited germany? Even their garbage man takes pride in what he does and does a good job. Or the room service in a hotel. Or a plumber you call. Or the gas station clerk. They are clean, organized, precise people. Porsche wouldnt be Porsche if it was produced anywhere but Germany. You really have to visit the country and learn about their culture then you can truly appreciate the quality difference in Porsche vs Mclaren.

Originally Posted by 3-Pedals

I’m not sure how you are concluding I cant afford a mclaren. So, you are saying whoever dont like a mclaren by default cant afford one. I have bought 3 911s this year, their MSRP in total is a few grand shy of $1M. One of them is a PTS CXX that will be near $400k. My 750S build that I cancelled was $385k before MY2024 price increase.

By the way, not once I paid ADM for any car, including my 3RS. Not everyone is a sucker for markup. If I wanted a mclaren, I’d buy a mclaren.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

My good man, you have an amazing talent for backdooring a bitchslap on an entire nation (UK).

I guess you've just conveniently forgotten the, by last count, 5 known engine failures on the 992 GT3 RS, the numerous spontaneously cracked windshields on the 992 GT3/RS cars, the various PDK failures, the dead battery issues that seem more and more prevanlent, etc. So much for your love of German engineering and fastidiousness to precision manufacturing. But at least the Germans can rest assured knowing that their garbage will be taken out on time, and with pride.

Originally Posted by Manifold

Friend of mine had the PDK transmission fail on track this past weekend in his 992 GT3, with 7k miles on the car. So much for famed Porsche reliability ...

Originally Posted by GT3

Also simple math. Can’t compare one to another. Volumes are different. **** happens. What was the point again? You going to buy a P1 also? 👀

Originally Posted by GrantG

I agree with many of your points above (but hydraulic steering is only aspect that is truly wanting in the Porsches for my taste).

And I actually prefer the handling characteristics of Rear-engine.

And I really prefer the sharpness of an NA engine, and the handling of real swaybars and mechanical LSD (not to mention manual gearbox which I’ve already beaten to death).

Originally Posted by Manifold

I like 911 over Cayman too, but McLaren is mid-engine done right. My 570 has the regular suspension with real swaybars, open diff, and the engine feels and sounds plenty sharp to me.

Originally Posted by 3-Pedals

I’m not sure how you are concluding I cant afford a mclaren. So, you are saying whoever dont like a mclaren by default cant afford one. I have bought 3 911s this year, their MSRP in total is a few grand shy of $1M. One of them is a PTS CXX that will be near $400k. My 750S build that I cancelled was $385k before MY2024 price increase.

By the way, not once I paid ADM for any car, including my 3RS. Not everyone is a sucker for markup. If I wanted a mclaren, I’d buy a mclaren.

Originally Posted by GrantG

I’ve driven several McLaren on road and track, so I think I have a pretty good handle on how they drive. And I like them and I’m glad they exist. But as long as Porsche keeps making the cars I like more for less money (and include an opportunity for Euro Delivery), I’m not ready to stray.

Originally Posted by Manifold

You can have both!