Scrappy1972

I feel like you need to grab a P1 to round out your Mac collection.

7382929296

Id love to see a test in which you take the McLarens against the 3RS around the track and keep going until one fails. I guarantee you the McLaren will lose every single time.

McLaren is definitely the best of the best in the exotic world, but the reality is they’re complete garbage for quality control at least based on my own experience and friends who have owned them. It’s very bad most can’t even make it 10,000 miles without some serious issue arising.

06viper

My 765, 620, 570 and Artura are bulletproof, I drive thousands of miles on them every year. This is false information. Information like this usually comes from people who physically do not own a Mclaren. Me on the other hand own 4 and soon to be 5. I track them, take them to the gym, take them to the grocery store, take them to the drag strip, take them to dinner, road trip them, I beat the living crap out of them. They are tanks. And your statement that they can't make it past 10,000 miles without serious issues arising, I have 21,000 miles I've put on my 570 without issue. Not including the thousands and thousands of other miles I have on my other models.

ipse dixit

Oh, please.

I'm not a Mclaren apologist, but to think that Porsche GT cars are bulletproof is as mythical as unicorn tears.

Just on this board alone, we have people with windshields that shatter spontaneously, rear wings that fall off, broken quarter panels, and various engine problems from failures to oil pumps to unexplained loss of power.

7382929296

The market speaks for itself, no mclaren goes over sticker for a reason, even the super limited rare ones simply because the reliability isn’t there.

Driving a few thousand miles over the course of a few years doesn’t tell us much. Based on my 600LT and 720S it was a mess. Most of the cars pulled over on the side during the Goldrush Rally events I drove in were Aventadors and McLarens.

The Artura was a flaming pile of crap frankly put. Imagine inviting every major motor journalist and they all had issues with their cars, that’s a bad look. On the McLaren forums there are people having all sorts of issues already.

Not saying GT products aren’t 100% dialed in either, but you’d have to be delusional to think a McLaren is more rock solid than a GT product, especially if being driven hard on the track.

However at the end of the day it’s your money to spend wherever you please.

Tombstone4478

I owned 4 McLarens from new...........a 720S and three 600LT spiders. all brand new, i was first owner of every car. why three 600's you ask????....................cause they kept breaking!

every single one had countless issues. in and out of the shop constantly. one 600LT dumped an entire tank of gasoline on my garage floor an hour after it was delivered. i owned it an hour, back in the shop for two months, when i got it back, it broke again a week later. its endless. cracked glass, check engine lights, glue seeping out of seams. on and on and on. they literally wore me down to the point i wont own another. i couldn't drive them with confidence anymore and had to move on. no its not false info. its real. and its terrible. not to mention the service facilities and skilled technicians are even worse, so if you do have a problem it could get worse once in a the shop.

and even with all ive said above, i can still be honest with myself that if both vehicles are functioning properly the McLaren is still the better all around car to live with and actually use.

Tombstone4478

Market speaks for itself???????? But every McLaren is bought and used. Those RSs youre referring to, going over sticker, half of them aren't even driven. so half the market is speculators and flippers and collectors. who are all acting on some nonsense that doesnt exist. If McLaren had the pedigree and decades of history same as Porsche then all of the special editions and limited stuff would have the same problem......................as long as they figure out how to build them properly. it takes time to become a Porsche or Ferrari. decades. not the 11 years since the 12C.

GrantG

I’ve seen tons of RS’s used hard on tracks in Europe and in US (far more than any other car in its price range or higher).

MaxLTV

There are two different dimensions - endurance (how long it can go under peak load before something overheats or breaks) and reliability (things breaking from defects or wear and tear over time). What you describe is reliability, and I'd concur on that one. I had A LOT of reliability issues with Porsche GT cars - replaced engines & gearboxes (yes, plural), exhaust valves, brake callipers, ESC going mad in the middle of Nurburgring, etc. Friends with McLarens had their fair share too - from one having both of his 765LTs broken at the same time and stuck at the shop for much of track season, to another having to put out a small electrical fire inside a car with his drink (after shutting it down, of course). The latter was a McLaren mechanic driving a customer's car, so it made for an interesting conversation with the owner afterwards. But Porsche not breaking is definitely a myth, and I'm not sure it breaks any less than McLaren. Porsche warranty is great though - once they picked up my car literally from Sonoma raceway, when it spilled its guts all over Turn 10 and fixed it with no fuss, and out of all other issues only cracking pucks in callipers were not warrantied.

But when it comes to endurance, Porsche GT cars seem to have an edge. I've been in situations exactly as the poster suggested - running 991.1 GT3 vs. 720s and 991.2 GT3 RS vs. 765LT for long all-out sessions, and in both cases mclarens were noticeably faster but had to withdraw first. 720 overheated brakes and blistered tires becoming unsafe to keep driving (could be solvable with mods?), and 765LT had drivetrain temp warnings, so the owner decided to stop. Not perfectly scientific because of different drivers, but same time and nearly same pace, so still telling. But for real-life tracking it may not be that important - doing a cool down lap every 4-6 laps is not a big deal, and a small price to pay for the insane speeds they deliver.

GrantG

One of the things I've admired about most Porsches is their ability to lap until they need more fuel with no rising temps, softening brakes, nor other concerns. They really seem to have been designed for this purpose more than other competitors.

neoprufrok

I have 9000 miles on my LT. Tracked extensively at Sears point. Have had zero issues. On top of that, McLaren actually warranties the car during track day as long as pre/post inspection done. On the whole I will admit that 911s are much more reliable, but lets not say that McLaren's are like Fiero's on the track.

Drifting

agree with this.

if someone truly plans to frequently track their car then a GT3 or RS is clearly superior to Mac, Ferrari, or Lamborghini.

If someone wants a fun weekend car, for canyons, C+C, and fairly rare track days
then Mac, Ferrari, and Lamborghini are clearly superior to GT3 or RS with current ADM pricing.

I don’t see why a casual owner or a poseur would buy a GT3RS at the current crazy prices.

yesyoucan

I’ve owned 13 mclarens . 100 track days in my own mclarens . Owned a 991.1 gt3rs also.

these constant discussions about reliability , etc are pretty boring .

it’s like people want to talk about these cars as sports fans but don’t know what to talk about 🤷‍♂️.

J9277655

Had a 675LT for 4 years. Plenty of track time in it.

tons of fun, but thing was always broken. Dealership experience and service was a far cry from Porsche.

fuel pump broke twice, had a total engine failure on the side of the highway, and had other miscellaneous issues throughout.

when it worked, it was special. Sadly, it was a gamble every time I drove it.

and on a hot day at Laguna, the McLaren posse is sitting in the paddock in limp mode, while the Porsche owners are on track.

fastmd

Find that hard to believe. Have and had several Mclarens. Still own my 675lt among others. Its has been more reliable than my GT3s and GT3RSs. One small issue with glass switch.
The 675s seems to be the most reliable from that era.