GT3RS Allocation Thread
#2761
why do people say the 991 is more analog than the 992? because of the gauges? that doesnt resonate at all with me. that is just the ui being analog. all else behind the ui is similar. everything on that dash is a sensor connected to wires connected to the dash. and the one thing that counts - the tach - is still analog. i get that its a preference thing, like looks, but i wouldn't bank on such things mattering long-term. the 991 and 992 are very similar analog vs digital experiences in the actual stuff that impacts the way you interact with the car - steering, shifting and various digital stability control features
#2762
I think that’s a fair trade up. I’m excited to see how I feel once I have both in the stable. There is a clear use case for 991.2 3RS and 992 3RS in the garage.
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In other words, every generation of the 911 has been less analog (whatever that means). There is no one definitive generation where the demarcation between analog and digital is so distinct such that everything before it was analog and everything after it was digital.
It's an evolutionary process, not a revolutionary one.
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But this would be true if the comparison was between the 997 and 991, as well as the 996 and then the 997.
In other words, every generation of the 911 has been less analog (whatever that means). There is no one definitive generation where the demarcation between analog and digital is so distinct such that everything before it was analog and everything after it was digital.
It's an evolutionary process, not a revolutionary one.
In other words, every generation of the 911 has been less analog (whatever that means). There is no one definitive generation where the demarcation between analog and digital is so distinct such that everything before it was analog and everything after it was digital.
It's an evolutionary process, not a revolutionary one.
I'll be honest though. As I get older and appreciate the performance of newer cars, I have less desire to drive the 997 and prior 911s. For me, currently, 991 is the sweet spot. As I become older still, perhaps 992 will be my sweet spot. And after that, maybe luxury sports sedans? But looking outside Porscheworld, I can see myself enjoying McLarens for many years to come, because they're fun at all speeds, yet not hard to drive, and the ride quality is good.
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Originally Posted by speed77
Drive a 991 and 992 back to back and come back to us. Definitely more analogue. UI, feel, sound, STEERING. Big difference
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But this would be true if the comparison was between the 997 and 991, as well as the 996 and then the 997.
In other words, every generation of the 911 has been less analog (whatever that means). There is no one definitive generation where the demarcation between analog and digital is so distinct such that everything before it was analog and everything after it was digital.
It's an evolutionary process, not a revolutionary one.
In other words, every generation of the 911 has been less analog (whatever that means). There is no one definitive generation where the demarcation between analog and digital is so distinct such that everything before it was analog and everything after it was digital.
It's an evolutionary process, not a revolutionary one.
I have well over 10k miles combined across both (more obviously in the 991) and some of the comments are just absurd. Both the 991 and 992 are modern, huge (by historical standards) fairly heavy, and very advanced iterations of the 911 platform. Calling either one analog or more analog (thus inferring analog) lacks perspective. The 992 is more advanced in many ways as noted above but apart from the front end and OPF they are very similar, certainly in the broader context when people are throwing around analog and raw. Stiff and loud doesn't equate to analog. Go drive a 964 RS or prior then let's talk.
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Originally Posted by signes
Well said.
I have well over 10k miles combined across both (more obviously in the 991) and some of the comments are just absurd. Both the 991 and 992 are modern, huge (by historical standards) fairly heavy, and very advanced iterations of the 911 platform. Calling either one analog or more analog (thus inferring analog) lacks perspective. The 992 is more advanced in many ways as noted above but apart from the front end and OPF they are very similar, certainly in the broader context when people are throwing around analog and raw. Stiff and loud doesn't equate to analog. Go drive a 964 RS or prior then let's talk.
I have well over 10k miles combined across both (more obviously in the 991) and some of the comments are just absurd. Both the 991 and 992 are modern, huge (by historical standards) fairly heavy, and very advanced iterations of the 911 platform. Calling either one analog or more analog (thus inferring analog) lacks perspective. The 992 is more advanced in many ways as noted above but apart from the front end and OPF they are very similar, certainly in the broader context when people are throwing around analog and raw. Stiff and loud doesn't equate to analog. Go drive a 964 RS or prior then let's talk.
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Well said.
I have well over 10k miles combined across both (more obviously in the 991) and some of the comments are just absurd. Both the 991 and 992 are modern, huge (by historical standards) fairly heavy, and very advanced iterations of the 911 platform. Calling either one analog or more analog (thus inferring analog) lacks perspective. The 992 is more advanced in many ways as noted above but apart from the front end and OPF they are very similar, certainly in the broader context when people are throwing around analog and raw. Stiff and loud doesn't equate to analog. Go drive a 964 RS or prior then let's talk.
I have well over 10k miles combined across both (more obviously in the 991) and some of the comments are just absurd. Both the 991 and 992 are modern, huge (by historical standards) fairly heavy, and very advanced iterations of the 911 platform. Calling either one analog or more analog (thus inferring analog) lacks perspective. The 992 is more advanced in many ways as noted above but apart from the front end and OPF they are very similar, certainly in the broader context when people are throwing around analog and raw. Stiff and loud doesn't equate to analog. Go drive a 964 RS or prior then let's talk.
It's true that attributes of cars tend to lie along a continuum, so things like rawness and analog-ness are relative. I think there's a lot of common ground in what people have in mind when they use words like 'raw' and 'analog'. ChatGPT is pretty eloquent:
https://chat.openai.com/share/a823be...7-55a67ee113bf
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I do- both in 991.2 3RS and 2RS and current 992. As @Manifold mentioned and I alluded to the experience is quite different. I personally find it to be night and day between the two gens. 991 I find much more analogue, playful, requires more attention and is more raw both from a driving perspective and UI. The steering is the most notable difference and that drives a lot of the rawness. I feel like I’m less likely to grab the 991 for daily purposes but more for spirited drives / track. 992 more refined, easily dailyable and just has a different feel. I find a lot of reasons to have both gens in the garage.
myself and VCP13 have plenty of experience with 992 variants including 4S , TTS and GT3 but not 3 RS as well as 991.1 3RS, 991.2 3RS as well as 991 GT3
agree that 992 feels more refined than 991 , but personally on all the previous variants I had of both generations
I prefer the 992 over 991
hoping to get 992 3RS soon and will compare directly to 991.2 3RS
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Agree with both @signes and @Manifold ...it will always be relative to your own experiences so no one answer is correct. If someone's first and only experience driving a 911 is the 991 cars, then they drove a 992 car, the 991 is going to feel more old school/raw/analog/whatever to them. Someone that's been driving 911s for 20+ years would laugh at that same person if they called the 991 any of those things.
I've got lots of mileage and seat time in both 991 and 992 and I happen to prefer the 992, for now. It's fluid
I've got lots of mileage and seat time in both 991 and 992 and I happen to prefer the 992, for now. It's fluid
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The 992 gt3rs feels more special compared to the 992 gt3 than the 991.2 did to its own contemporary. The 991.2 gt3rs felt like a better and more dramatic 991.2 gt3. Faster, more sound, yummy. The 992 gt3rs feels like a different car with that suspension and aero. My first drive in a 991.2 gt3rs: this is amazing. And my ears are ringing. My first drive in a 992 3rs: what the **** just happened ? Can I change these suspension settings to make it feel like a 911 ?
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The 992 gt3rs feels more special compared to the 992 gt3 than the 991.2 did to its own contemporary. The 991.2 gt3rs felt like a better and more dramatic 991.2 gt3. Faster, more sound, yummy. The 992 gt3rs feels like a different car with that suspension and aero. My first drive in a 991.2 gt3rs: this is amazing. And my ears are ringing. My first drive in a 992 3rs: what the **** just happened ? Can I change these suspension settings to make it feel like a 911 ?
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There's a bigger difference between the 997 and the 991 than between the 991 to the 992. All of the cars have been fun to track but I'd say I prefer the rawness and feel of the 997 both on track and in the canyons. The 991 and 992 are better around town and can easily become daily drivers.