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well bad news. Looks like my ED adventure with the S/T next week is not going to happen. I did the lease paperwork 2 weeks ago and all was fine. However, just today Porsche came back and said the paperwork was wrong, lease should be based off the MSRP of the car INCLUDING the VAT, even though the VAT is never paid to anyone and simply accounting gimmickry to CYA in case someone runs off with car overseas. This twist added close to $20k in total lease payments simply to drive the car in Europe for 2 weeks which is absolutely ridiculous, so told them to ship the car back here to dealer. Ridiculous and disappointing. Here I am actually using the car as Porsche wanted (all lip service, lease is simply a shake down as we all know), but I simply refuse to be even further penalized because of where I collect the car. Starting to really run out of excuses to defend Porsche these days, and I have been one of the biggest proponents and customers for a long long long time. Will let you all know how this ends…
well…your dealer missed this in your paperwork, it’s their fault. My dealer told me very clearly about this and provided the quote with VAT for euro delivery and is reimbursed after delivery is taken in the US. I opted not to do it as delivery is targeted for winter month and I didn’t want to drive such a special car in Germany winter before even bringing it to US.
in the USA if doing Euro Delivery, VAT is a separate transaction, and is immediately refunded upon return of the car, and that is if the dealer even collects its. I do ED every year and have never paid it. As such it has absolutely no bearing upon the USA MSRP of the car. Therefor it nothing to do with lease price. Porsche wants to charge me an entire year of a high interest rate on this VAT amount, which again has nothing to do with anything as this amount is never collected by German Govt. now, it is entirely possible I am the first person who has done this silly lease in combination with Euro Delivery, and it has unearthed some unexpected issues. But after numerous conversations Porsche seems unwilling to budge on basing the lease price upon the MSRP plus VAT, so sorry this is completely wrong and I hold them accountable. It should not cost $20k extra to pick up a car on ED.
hmm, kinda ridiculous for them to do that. I was told I get the VAT back when car is handed over in US. Seems like they haven’t figured out how to deal with the mandatory lease and ED VAT. They should probably don’t allow ED for US S/Ts until they figure it out.
I'm going to get mine PPF'd. I'm hoping to do some long distance drives from Cali to Minnesota to visit family and back. Also will take it to track for fun.
Last and biggest reason. More than a few times - someone has scratched the outside film or "rubbed" it and from the outside it looks bad. Take the film off and nothing. It's not as purely beautiful as the paint underneath with no film - but given I plan to use the car a lot and park it in normal parking situations - the film is some piece of mind.
I get every car of mine paint corrected ppf’d and ceramic coated. It’s a must.
What is the educated word on PPF for these cars please? I did a quick search here and couldn't find anything definitive.
Obviously the gills behind the front wheel arch look problematic for stones being kicked up onto the paint.
Is a partial (front, wheel arch and gills) wrap suitable or does the whole car (expensively) need to be done ?
Thanks in advance.
Absolutely no question - whole car should be wrapped. It will need to be a custom job, so bank on $7-15k and the best possible shop to do it, even if you have to ship it.
My impression of Porsche has been dealt a couple of blows over the last decennium. I’m still wondering why I ship loads of money to them each year.
In January -24 I believe it was, my dealer rung me up and asked if I wanted an S/T allocation. At MSRP. Of course I said, you just give me a fair trade on the GT4RS I bought of you in -22. Which he refused to do. He wouldn’t even commit to a trade-in when the S/T arrived, so I had no choice but to say thanks, but no thanks to the S/T.
By the looks of it, prices of all GT Porsches are tanking here in Europe and I have been for a while anticipating a 992.2 GT3 Touring at 90% of the S/T would burst the S/T bubble as the 991.2 GT3 Touring did for the 991R, and what the coming rumored RWD 992.2 Turbo manual surely will do for the 992 SC.
In short. No matter how high up on the P-scale you climb, Porsche seems to enjoy setting the stair below you alight. That way you just keep climbing throwing piles of cash at the bonfire, hopefully not running out of cash.
First few hundred miles done. Been lucky to have owned many great driving 911s over the past 43 years. This ST is something very special, for me it’s the most exciting one to drive i have ever owed. The Box, the engine, steering feel, damping its hard to imagine how it could all be any better, feels so light .The best part are the sounds every gear change is crescendo of the flat 6 it feels like you are sitting inside the engine, feel very lucky to own one.
First few hundred miles done. Been lucky to have owned many great driving 911s over the past 43 years. This ST is something very special, for me it’s the most exciting one to drive i have ever owed. The Box, the engine, steering feel, damping its hard to imagine how it could all be any better, feels so light .The best part are the sounds every gear change is crescendo of the flat 6 it feels like you are sitting inside the engine, feel very lucky to own one.
I can imagine it must be a riot to drive, but so is my GT4RS. Have you driven a 4RS and can compare the sound of the probably two greatest sounding Porsches of all time?
I can imagine it must be a riot to drive, but so is my GT4RS. Have you driven a 4RS and can compare the sound of the probably two greatest sounding Porsches of all time?
And this os why they say different strokes for different folks. When did loud become the benchmark of "greatest"? Serious question.
I can imagine it must be a riot to drive, but so is my GT4RS. Have you driven a 4RS and can compare the sound of the probably two greatest sounding Porsches of all time?
Yes i owned a 4RS for a while, to be honest that was to loud for me inside, this ST is different in so much as you get a wider range of sounds.
in the USA if doing Euro Delivery, VAT is a separate transaction, and is immediately refunded upon return of the car, and that is if the dealer even collects its. I do ED every year and have never paid it. As such it has absolutely no bearing upon the USA MSRP of the car. Therefor it nothing to do with lease price. Porsche wants to charge me an entire year of a high interest rate on this VAT amount, which again has nothing to do with anything as this amount is never collected by German Govt. now, it is entirely possible I am the first person who has done this silly lease in combination with Euro Delivery, and it has unearthed some unexpected issues. But after numerous conversations Porsche seems unwilling to budge on basing the lease price upon the MSRP plus VAT, so sorry this is completely wrong and I hold them accountable. It should not cost $20k extra to pick up a car on ED.
What I find troubling about your nightmare is that Porsche won't find a workaround with you. They were well aware of your wait, anticipation, and plans for ED. Given how many cars you bought from them, they could have found a solution. Only demonstrates that Porsche doesn't consider us as consumers but as wallets.
And this os why they say different strokes for different folks. When did loud become the benchmark of "greatest"? Serious question.
In my GT4RS, one needs "GTU-Mazda-at-Daytona-proof" ear protection at full throttle above 7,500 RPM. Not kidding at all. A Stilo helmet with built-in radio ear phones makes it much more pleasurable and then it's sweet. Not so much just out for a spin.
GT4RS is way too loud for road use if you are in the higher rpm. RS Spyder, in my opinion, is the better road car in terms of driving experience and noise.
GT4RS is way too loud for road use if you are in the higher rpm. RS Spyder, in my opinion, is the better road car in terms of driving experience and noise.
💯 ^^ the 4RS gave me an absolute ringing in my head, so bad I actually gave the car back. I haven’t driven the Spyder (I don’t do cars without a roof), but would imagine it being absolutely perfect for that application.
Compared to the ST, the ST is louder than a GT3, but not too much louder than my 3RS. I’m guessing it’s about 105dB stock.
💯 ^^ the 4RS gave me an absolute ringing in my head, so bad I actually gave the car back. I haven’t driven the Spyder (I don’t do cars without a roof), but would imagine it being absolutely perfect for that application.
Compared to the ST, the ST is louder than a GT3, but not too much louder than my 3RS. I’m guessing it’s about 105dB stock.
I used to own a GT4 and even that car triggered my tinnitus like nothing else.
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