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08-13-2023, 03:23 PM
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^ Ah, the “can’t afford it” jab has arrived!
… or some people can afford stuff, but they still care about things like value and how they want to allocate their money to things other than cars.
… or some people can afford stuff, but they still care about things like value and how they want to allocate their money to things other than cars.
08-13-2023, 03:36 PM
#2237
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It is weird how that works. Get mad about forgetting to use your deal on the McDonald's app but will spend $30k in carbon fiber options.
08-13-2023, 04:05 PM
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08-13-2023, 04:05 PM
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Dakar is approximately $38k more than C4 GTS optioned the way a Dakar comes standard. I value the engineering changes (suspension and 2 new drive settings) at roughly $20k. Therefore, I feel like I'm paying $15-$20k extra for 1/2500 limited edition, and a car that has little overlap within the lineup, and I (personally) have a different use case.
The S/T is about $80k more than a GT3T optioned similar to the base S/T spec. Personally, the engineering upgrades seem last drastic, so maybe I value it at $10k in enhancements, leaving the premium at $70k for 1/1963 edition and little use case (to me) different than a GT3T.
Everyone values things differently, and no doubt this will be the "best" wingless GT car to date, but, also, "meh".
08-13-2023, 04:12 PM
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Have no real vested interest here, just have been enjoying reading this thread, but this comment I felt was worth sharing why I've been a bit cynical towards the S/T .
Dakar is approximately $38k more than C4 GTS optioned the way a Dakar comes standard. I value the engineering changes (suspension and 2 new drive settings) at roughly $20k. Therefore, I feel like I'm paying $15-$20k extra for 1/2500 limited edition, and a car that has little overlap within the lineup, and I (personally) have a different use case.
The S/T is about $80k more than a GT3T optioned similar to the base S/T spec. Personally, the engineering upgrades seem last drastic, so maybe I value it at $10k in enhancements, leaving the premium at $70k for 1/1963 edition and little use case (to me) different than a GT3T.
Everyone values things differently, and no doubt this will be the "best" wingless GT car to date, but, also, "meh".
Dakar is approximately $38k more than C4 GTS optioned the way a Dakar comes standard. I value the engineering changes (suspension and 2 new drive settings) at roughly $20k. Therefore, I feel like I'm paying $15-$20k extra for 1/2500 limited edition, and a car that has little overlap within the lineup, and I (personally) have a different use case.
The S/T is about $80k more than a GT3T optioned similar to the base S/T spec. Personally, the engineering upgrades seem last drastic, so maybe I value it at $10k in enhancements, leaving the premium at $70k for 1/1963 edition and little use case (to me) different than a GT3T.
Everyone values things differently, and no doubt this will be the "best" wingless GT car to date, but, also, "meh".
The S/T is priced the way it is -- despite the lack of any true bespoke parts -- because it is riding on the coatails of Porsche's heritage and brand image.
The Dakar is priced the way it is -- despite it's plethora of bespoke parts -- because it does not fit (squarely) that image, despite the fact that Porsche did race in the Dakar rally, but no one outside of die-hard Porsche circle jerks would know that.
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08-13-2023, 04:35 PM
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Funny you say that.
Couple summers ago we were on a Porsche Alpine trip and was given a 992 turbo S cab for the duration. My gf loved it, been bugging me to get one since I don't currently have a powered roof convertible, well she doesn't like my 996 turbo S cab.....
Anyways couple weeks ago we sat down and did a config, it was like CAD$350k. That's Ferrari Roma money. A bit absurd as my Dakar config only came to CAD$310k and my Spyder RS was just under $300k.
Yesterday morning after I wrote what I wrote, my Facebook feed pops up an ad for the Mercedes SL63, pecked my interest. We went down to the Mercedes dealership which is right across from my Porsche one and voila, 3 just sitting there, and with a factory CAD$50k discount. Drops them from almost reasonable CAD$220k to a great price at CAD$170k, 992 turbo power but at half the price of a 992 turbo S cab. The salesman, which I haven't bought a car from for over a decade, fudged the number for even more discount.
Since the 992s are no longer small and nimble, the are roughly the size of the SL63 now, the SL63 is a great alternative and I signed the dotted line right there.
Can't even imagine my Porsche salesman even offering any discounts.
Couple summers ago we were on a Porsche Alpine trip and was given a 992 turbo S cab for the duration. My gf loved it, been bugging me to get one since I don't currently have a powered roof convertible, well she doesn't like my 996 turbo S cab.....
Anyways couple weeks ago we sat down and did a config, it was like CAD$350k. That's Ferrari Roma money. A bit absurd as my Dakar config only came to CAD$310k and my Spyder RS was just under $300k.
Yesterday morning after I wrote what I wrote, my Facebook feed pops up an ad for the Mercedes SL63, pecked my interest. We went down to the Mercedes dealership which is right across from my Porsche one and voila, 3 just sitting there, and with a factory CAD$50k discount. Drops them from almost reasonable CAD$220k to a great price at CAD$170k, 992 turbo power but at half the price of a 992 turbo S cab. The salesman, which I haven't bought a car from for over a decade, fudged the number for even more discount.
Since the 992s are no longer small and nimble, the are roughly the size of the SL63 now, the SL63 is a great alternative and I signed the dotted line right there.
Can't even imagine my Porsche salesman even offering any discounts.
A new Turbo S cab without a single option now costs US $245,000! And it is easy to build a $270,000 turbo S
I think Porsche GT cars are special and worth the money, but there are plenty of other options you can buy instead of the other Porsche models. I'd never buy a new Porsche Turbo, Panamera, or Taycan these days.
08-13-2023, 04:42 PM
#2243
Have no real vested interest here, just have been enjoying reading this thread, but this comment I felt was worth sharing why I've been a bit cynical towards the S/T .
Dakar is approximately $38k more than C4 GTS optioned the way a Dakar comes standard. I value the engineering changes (suspension and 2 new drive settings) at roughly $20k. Therefore, I feel like I'm paying $15-$20k extra for 1/2500 limited edition, and a car that has little overlap within the lineup, and I (personally) have a different use case.
The S/T is about $80k more than a GT3T optioned similar to the base S/T spec. Personally, the engineering upgrades seem last drastic, so maybe I value it at $10k in enhancements, leaving the premium at $70k for 1/1963 edition and little use case (to me) different than a GT3T.
Everyone values things differently, and no doubt this will be the "best" wingless GT car to date, but, also, "meh".
Dakar is approximately $38k more than C4 GTS optioned the way a Dakar comes standard. I value the engineering changes (suspension and 2 new drive settings) at roughly $20k. Therefore, I feel like I'm paying $15-$20k extra for 1/2500 limited edition, and a car that has little overlap within the lineup, and I (personally) have a different use case.
The S/T is about $80k more than a GT3T optioned similar to the base S/T spec. Personally, the engineering upgrades seem last drastic, so maybe I value it at $10k in enhancements, leaving the premium at $70k for 1/1963 edition and little use case (to me) different than a GT3T.
Everyone values things differently, and no doubt this will be the "best" wingless GT car to date, but, also, "meh".
I think the Porsche is on its way up in regards to higher pricing. When the 994 rolls out, the S/T may appear inexpensive.
One more thought...remember Porsche charged 120K to make a Touring into a convertible with a soft top?
-smfw
-shorter stick shift
-carbon doors - sounds like a WP
-carbon suspension stuff - sounds like a WP
-carbon other car panels - sounds like a WP
-RS engine
-lighter exhaust
-shorter gear ratios
-mag wheels
-other stuff I'm missing
edit...forgot those super cheap mag wheels
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08-13-2023, 04:58 PM
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Have no real vested interest here, just have been enjoying reading this thread, but this comment I felt was worth sharing why I've been a bit cynical towards the S/T .
Dakar is approximately $38k more than C4 GTS optioned the way a Dakar comes standard. I value the engineering changes (suspension and 2 new drive settings) at roughly $20k. Therefore, I feel like I'm paying $15-$20k extra for 1/2500 limited edition, and a car that has little overlap within the lineup, and I (personally) have a different use case.
The S/T is about $80k more than a GT3T optioned similar to the base S/T spec. Personally, the engineering upgrades seem last drastic, so maybe I value it at $10k in enhancements, leaving the premium at $70k for 1/1963 edition and little use case (to me) different than a GT3T.
Everyone values things differently, and no doubt this will be the "best" wingless GT car to date, but, also, "meh".
Dakar is approximately $38k more than C4 GTS optioned the way a Dakar comes standard. I value the engineering changes (suspension and 2 new drive settings) at roughly $20k. Therefore, I feel like I'm paying $15-$20k extra for 1/2500 limited edition, and a car that has little overlap within the lineup, and I (personally) have a different use case.
The S/T is about $80k more than a GT3T optioned similar to the base S/T spec. Personally, the engineering upgrades seem last drastic, so maybe I value it at $10k in enhancements, leaving the premium at $70k for 1/1963 edition and little use case (to me) different than a GT3T.
Everyone values things differently, and no doubt this will be the "best" wingless GT car to date, but, also, "meh".
There's lots of logic in that but the problem with that is Porsche's brand image and philosophy -- which is racing.
The S/T is priced the way it is -- despite the lack of any true bespoke parts -- because it is riding on the coatails of Porsche's heritage and brand image.
The Dakar is priced the way it is -- despite it's plethora of bespoke parts -- because it does not fit (squarely) that image, despite the fact that Porsche did race in the Dakar rally, but no one outside of die-hard Porsche circle jerks would know that.
The S/T is priced the way it is -- despite the lack of any true bespoke parts -- because it is riding on the coatails of Porsche's heritage and brand image.
The Dakar is priced the way it is -- despite it's plethora of bespoke parts -- because it does not fit (squarely) that image, despite the fact that Porsche did race in the Dakar rally, but no one outside of die-hard Porsche circle jerks would know that.
08-13-2023, 05:06 PM
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My mag wheels alone were 21k with tires and sensors on my 991.2. It’s too bad they don’t fit as I prefer the look better than any other wheel.
What I am surprised about with the S/T and the 100k price difference over a touring is the exhaust. You’d think for a 100k extra and those goodies they could have used titanium and saved a few more pounds.
What I am surprised about with the S/T and the 100k price difference over a touring is the exhaust. You’d think for a 100k extra and those goodies they could have used titanium and saved a few more pounds.
08-13-2023, 05:51 PM
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My mag wheels alone were 21k with tires and sensors on my 991.2. It’s too bad they don’t fit as I prefer the look better than any other wheel.
What I am surprised about with the S/T and the 100k price difference over a touring is the exhaust. You’d think for a 100k extra and those goodies they could have used titanium and saved a few more pounds.
What I am surprised about with the S/T and the 100k price difference over a touring is the exhaust. You’d think for a 100k extra and those goodies they could have used titanium and saved a few more pounds.
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08-13-2023, 07:00 PM
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That inconsistency describes pretty much everyone, just different scales of $$. There are times to consider cost and value, and there are times to 'treat yourself' and splurge. Trying to do both at the same time can create tension, as we see demonstrated in this thread.
08-13-2023, 07:43 PM
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Three Wheelin'
Here's some irony for you.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
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08-13-2023, 07:47 PM
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Here's some irony for you.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
08-13-2023, 07:50 PM
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Here's some irony for you.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.