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Old 02-04-2022, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bblack07
I'm wondering if they did catch some sort of issue with the compounds and pulling them but simply couldn't stop ordered cars because they'd be violating the purchase contract or something. Just a theory, but have a sneaking suspicion it's not a material shortage and even if it was I doubt that it would take nearly a year to churn out some more rotors, pads, and calipers. There are a couple of other threads with people talking about how much their new PCCB's dust, fade, etc and were actually putting 991.2 GT3 pads in to replace the stock new ones. They may have to come up with an all-new compound that complies with environmental laws but still performs up to expectation and not just as simple as them being able to use old pads. Who knows. I'm sure it'll get worked out though!
Doubtful.

Much more profit is selling PCCBs with pads that can be changed out later. They are sticking with the crazy pads. No way they do a “stop sale” because people complain about brake dust.
Old 02-04-2022, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by raymort
Doubtful.

Much more profit is selling PCCBs with pads that can be changed out later. They are sticking with the crazy pads. No way they do a “stop sale” because people complain about brake dust.
I'm not suggesting they stopped them because people were whining about brake dust. That obviously makes no sense. I'm wondering if they found a functional defect in the pad or whatever combo of materials they were using that would warrant pulling over safety concerns. That's about the only thing that would make sense outside of a supply shortage for the reason you mentioned above in regards to profit.
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Originally Posted by bblack07
I'm not suggesting they stopped them because people were whining about brake dust. That obviously makes no sense. I'm wondering if they found a functional defect in the pad or whatever combo of materials they were using that would warrant pulling over safety concerns. That's about the only thing that would make sense outside of a supply shortage for the reason you mentioned above in regards to profit.
I had the same initial thoughts, but the fact they are continuing with locked builds would suggest otherwise. If there was a safety issue due to pad compounds, I think they would make the cars, ship them, and hold them at port awaiting new pads.
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Old 02-04-2022, 10:38 PM
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I was the one who started the pccb dust and judder thread. The brakes were dreadful and I believe Porsche is now discovering it. The 991.2 pads made everything completely better but they can’t sell those on a new car anymore. So…. They are in a tough spot.


This is all a guess but I am here to tell you there is a major issue with the pads that came on the car.

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Originally Posted by sgroer
I was the one who started the pccb dust and judder thread. The brakes were dreadful and I believe Porsche is now discovering it. The 991.2 pads made everything completely better but they can’t sell those on a new car anymore. So…. They are in a tough spot.


This is all a guess but I am here to tell you there is a major issue with the pads that came on the car.
Totally agree with this. The new pads suck.
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Originally Posted by sgroer
I was the one who started the pccb dust and judder thread. The brakes were dreadful and I believe Porsche is now discovering it. The 991.2 pads made everything completely better but they can’t sell those on a new car anymore. So…. They are in a tough spot.


This is all a guess but I am here to tell you there is a major issue with the pads that came on the car.
Yep that just reinforces the whole theory that I may not have articulated as well as I would have liked. Since they can't just sell with the old pads because of regulation it would require an all new formula which would also require a testing and certification process. There's no way they'd just be able to tweak the formula then call it good and start tossing them back in new cars. I bet it is a very significant issue. This should be interesting and will hopefully fix the dusting and performance issues. For the price they should be pretty awesome! I was planning on putting them on mine when my allocation comes available so hopefully, they get it figured out sooner than later for everyone's sake.
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This PCCB thing is so unnecessary and sad. The old brakes worked fine But now we cant even order a car. I’m so glad I didnt pretraded my RS as my new 992 GT3 would definitely get hit by this and I’d end up with no car or a car with iron brakes which I cant stand the brake dust.
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Having second thought on going with iron brakes with my PTS order. It is like decking out in Gucci then wear Aldo shoes

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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
This PCCB thing is so unnecessary and sad. The old brakes worked fine But now we cant even order a car. I’m so glad I didnt pretraded my RS as my new 992 GT3 would definitely get hit by this and I’d end up with no car or a car with iron brakes which I cant stand the brake dust.
What the hell is happening with the 992 Turbo S, where PCCB are standard??
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Originally Posted by bblack07
Yep that just reinforces the whole theory that I may not have articulated as well as I would have liked. Since they can't just sell with the old pads because of regulation it would require an all new formula which would also require a testing and certification process. There's no way they'd just be able to tweak the formula then call it good and start tossing them back in new cars. I bet it is a very significant issue. This should be interesting and will hopefully fix the dusting and performance issues. For the price they should be pretty awesome! I was planning on putting them on mine when my allocation comes available so hopefully, they get it figured out sooner than later for everyone's sake.
This sounds like about a 6-month process to have to recertify pads...I guess patience is a virtue in this case in terms of allocations and future order. I have PCCB on my 991.2 TTS and they are fantastic. I couldn't imagine going back to the regular steel rotors tbh, although they say the std brakes are supposedly improved with this GT3. However, I hear people whining about those pads too.
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Wouldnt it be funny now with people backing out because of PCCBs and ADMS come down?
Old 02-05-2022, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnC4S
Having second thought on going with iron brakes with my PTS order. It is like decking out in Gucci then wear Aldo shoes

John
Then upgrade to Surface Transforms rotors or one of the excellent iron racing systems if you think the stock brakes are too low rent for you.
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Originally Posted by chance6
What the hell is happening with the 992 Turbo S, where PCCB are standard??
Will also affect the Sports Classic, PCCB standard on that version too.
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Old 02-05-2022, 08:47 PM
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Could it be just a supply chain problem? If the pads are faulty why keep putting them on cars now? If they would fit new pads when available why not just keep pumping them out, has to make more sense to swap brake pads and keep selling. Just my thoughts of course.
Old 02-05-2022, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tstafford
Two PCCB GT3 Touring I am following both show no delay in TYD.
A week ago by car (with PCCBs) was scheduled to come in late June to the dealer and the car got delayed by about 10 days to the first week of July and no changes since I just checked.


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