992 GT3 is RS
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It’s great that the 992 is the same weight as the 991. My point is that even if it was 50-100lbs heavier, it’d still be an incredible car. Only people that are looking for something to bitch about would say that the weight penalty of that amount is some kind of significant downside.
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I’ve seen a few guys on here that spend a majority of their time searching for affirmation on their 991’s by bringing down the 992. For someone who has no “interest” in one, why spend so much time seeking justification on keeping your 991.2? Who are you trying to convince for real... 😂
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I’ve seen a few guys on here that spend a majority of their time searching for affirmation on their 991’s by bringing down the 992. For someone who has no “interest” in one, why spend so much time seeking justification on keeping your 991.2? Who are you trying to convince for real... 😂
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Like many of you, I was very excited to see the sneak reveal of the 992 GT3 this week, and I enjoyed the Catchpole/Harris videos with AP. As a very pleased 991.2 GT3 owner, I'm not than enthused about the 992.1 GT3, for one major reason. It's now an RS.
The Porsche RS models have always been amazing cars, and I respect them, and have enjoyed taking rides in them with my friends who own them as they are the absolute business on a track and fantastic to drive. However, for 20 years Porsche has always had both GT3 and RS models, because some of their customers wanted a car that was ready for the track but still streetable, while some of their other customers preferred a car that was barely streetable, and extremely track focused, the RS. Nothing wrong with that. However, that distinction is now rather blurred with the 992 GT3, because the 992.1 GT3 was designed with several features that used to be RS only.
1- more extreme wing design that only looks in place on the track, not driving on the street
2- A larger car with lots of fancy weight loss features to try to obscure the fact that is a bigger car, but it is still unfortunately larger without major weight loss improvements. The 997 RSs used to weigh noticeably less than the 997 GT3s, but with the 991 generation and now the 992 generation, the best we can hope for is a larger car with a very similar weight as its predecessor, (because the 992 GT3 it is a larger car like a 991 GT3 to the 991RS, and the 991 RSs weigh basically the same as the 991 GT3s)
3- Performance improvements that are mainly suspension and downforce, without noticeable power increases. The 992 GT3 will have a great ring time, but outside of the track, I doubt that mere mortals will appreciate most of the driving differences while on regular roads. Again very similar to the differences between a 991.2 GT3 and a 991.2 RS.
4- Weight loss features that sound fancy but only drop just a few pounds and make the car really loud and likely unsuitable for a weekend trip. (lightweight glass, even more interior sound insulation removed).
5- Cosmetic design that is so focused on downforce that it looks like an entirely different car from a Carrera, so it no longer looks like a 911 based sports car that is also ready for the track, but now visually resembles an extreme track car that is also street legal.
6- lots of exposed unpainted plastic/metal, I.e. the entire bottom half of the front and entire bottom half of the rear 992.1 GT3, and the exposed metal swan wing supports. Both would be fitting on an RSR or an RS, not on a GT3.
There is nothing wrong with 1-6, and they cause the RS to look and drive like a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal.
But that's not what a GT3 is supposed to be, and I have no interest in a 992 GT3 as a result. I will keep and drive my 991.2 GT3 for another 8 years and I'll wait to see what happens with the 994 GT3.
The Porsche RS models have always been amazing cars, and I respect them, and have enjoyed taking rides in them with my friends who own them as they are the absolute business on a track and fantastic to drive. However, for 20 years Porsche has always had both GT3 and RS models, because some of their customers wanted a car that was ready for the track but still streetable, while some of their other customers preferred a car that was barely streetable, and extremely track focused, the RS. Nothing wrong with that. However, that distinction is now rather blurred with the 992 GT3, because the 992.1 GT3 was designed with several features that used to be RS only.
1- more extreme wing design that only looks in place on the track, not driving on the street
2- A larger car with lots of fancy weight loss features to try to obscure the fact that is a bigger car, but it is still unfortunately larger without major weight loss improvements. The 997 RSs used to weigh noticeably less than the 997 GT3s, but with the 991 generation and now the 992 generation, the best we can hope for is a larger car with a very similar weight as its predecessor, (because the 992 GT3 it is a larger car like a 991 GT3 to the 991RS, and the 991 RSs weigh basically the same as the 991 GT3s)
3- Performance improvements that are mainly suspension and downforce, without noticeable power increases. The 992 GT3 will have a great ring time, but outside of the track, I doubt that mere mortals will appreciate most of the driving differences while on regular roads. Again very similar to the differences between a 991.2 GT3 and a 991.2 RS.
4- Weight loss features that sound fancy but only drop just a few pounds and make the car really loud and likely unsuitable for a weekend trip. (lightweight glass, even more interior sound insulation removed).
5- Cosmetic design that is so focused on downforce that it looks like an entirely different car from a Carrera, so it no longer looks like a 911 based sports car that is also ready for the track, but now visually resembles an extreme track car that is also street legal.
6- lots of exposed unpainted plastic/metal, I.e. the entire bottom half of the front and entire bottom half of the rear 992.1 GT3, and the exposed metal swan wing supports. Both would be fitting on an RSR or an RS, not on a GT3.
There is nothing wrong with 1-6, and they cause the RS to look and drive like a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal.
But that's not what a GT3 is supposed to be, and I have no interest in a 992 GT3 as a result. I will keep and drive my 991.2 GT3 for another 8 years and I'll wait to see what happens with the 994 GT3.
No manual transmission in an RS. Next...
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At the end of the day, the great thing about Porsche, is that these are all GREAT cars. While each new generation is objectively better than the last one, it certainly doesn’t make the previous generation obsolete by any means. In fact, quite the opposite, sometimes it gives a great appreciation to just how darn good the previous/current cars are. While I will be happy with my 991.2 I for sure cannot wait for some of my friends to get their 992s and get some seat time. The car sounds and looks phenomenal! Well done Porsche
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The purpose of this internet board is to discuss all things porsche, good and bad. People share their opinions and they don't always agree. Sometimes you learn something new, sometimes you don't. That is life. No much different than discussing the NFL, and if I happen to mention that the Patriots now suck, then some guys will man up and discuss the pros and cons of what Belichik is currently doing, while the bandwagon Patriot fans who can't handle any disparaging words about the team will go pout and cry in a corner.
If someone can't handle discussing both the good and bad of Porsche (because not everything Porsche does is perfect), then they shouldn't log onto Rennlist. Your choice.
If someone can't handle discussing both the good and bad of Porsche (because not everything Porsche does is perfect), then they shouldn't log onto Rennlist. Your choice.
It’d be like me going over to the 991 forum and trying to gas light it with subjective opinion. I could go ON & ON about the flaws of the 991.x generation, but it’s not worth it.
Different strokes I guess... I’m just glad I don’t feel the need to tear something down just to try and build myself up.
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It’s even possible that you’ll be able to buy an RSR road car (if you’re a 918 VIP or otherwise connected). No inside info, but it is the 50th Anniversary of the first RSR (2.8L) in a couple years...
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Confounds me what people are complaining about. Firstly, you are now going to get RS performance in a GT3 for a GT3 price. Secondly, the suspension is a major step on even from the 991.2 RS. I personally cannot wait to drive it to see how it steers and rides. Thirdly, the car is no bigger than a 991.2 GT3 RS and I do not recall anybody accusing that of being an oversized bloated pig.
You can like or dislike the looks and comment accordingly, but from a technical, performance and price perspective, the 992 GT3 is now an even better bargain than it was before.
You can like or dislike the looks and comment accordingly, but from a technical, performance and price perspective, the 992 GT3 is now an even better bargain than it was before.
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If my memory serves me right, AP said the car weighs the same, but is larger than the 991.2. Till we get the dimensions, we do not know by how much.
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We buy GT cars because the current ones getting worn out form track use and it runs out of warranty sooner then a new one..
The specs or the looks, are what they are and we’ll take it.
Its the warranty shenanigans and the dealer games that are the issue, if any, not the car.
The specs or the looks, are what they are and we’ll take it.
Its the warranty shenanigans and the dealer games that are the issue, if any, not the car.
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First off, the "regular" 911s (Carreras, Targas, and yes Turbos) have gotten so soft over the years (since the 991 generation) that they feel more like 2-door BMWs or grand touring sporty cars rather than true sports cars.
The 991.2 GT3 onwards felt more like what a regular 911 SHOULD feel like. More sports car and less grand touring car.
The 991.2 GT3 onwards felt more like what a regular 911 SHOULD feel like. More sports car and less grand touring car.