Which would you chose - 2015 C2 GTS or 2017 C2S?
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FTFY. And while the GTS is cool, highly differentiated is a stretch. Similar to the 981, its pretty much a gussied up S model. The only differentiation is the wide body rear end, which not everyone sees as a styling positive, and the option of centerlocks, which, again, not everyone sees as a positive.
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EDIT 2: As a GTS owner I suspect a 138k MSRP '15 GTS (like mine) will depreciate more slowly than a 138k 2015 C2S. But not necessarily any slower than a lower-options basic 2015 C2S. I think that's maybe a stretch. I know that 997 GTSs are priced higher than 2011 C2Ss, but have they depreciated less (in raw dollars, not percent) than a low-spec 2011 C2S?
And I think the two "depreciation" winners (991.1s with lowest depreciation over mid-term) will be the a) low-option S cars, and b) the high-option-bundle-for-relatively-low-cost GTS cars.
The first because everybody knows that options depreciate faster than the basic car in the short and mid-term. (Obviously not under special circumstances and over the long term, i.e. the Crossflow dual carb option on a 69 Z28 or the Hemi option on a 71 Barracuda or Webasto heater on a 356.) So, if you have relatively few fast-depreciating options on your 991S, it should depreciate slower than the majority of 991Ss which have medium to high numbers of options.
And the second group for the same reason, except when you start with options that are sold cheaper than usual in the first place they'll tend to not depreciate as fast. (i.e., X51, widebody, CLs, SportDesign nose and a few other automatic options all priced for less than X51 as a standalone option on a C2S.)
Wildcard: if sometime in the next 20+ years something (anything) causes the 991 to become increasingly prized in general, then you could begin to see some sort of appreciation of the top-spec cars at a higher-than-reasonable rate vis-a-vis the regular cars. Such as we've seen over the past decade with long-hood 911s; all have risen substantially, Es by a lot more than their original greater price vs. Ts would suggest, S by more than the price delta over E would suggest, and RS ditto vs. S.
In (general) numbers that looks something like this:
Model....Cost 1973.....Cost 2015
911T.....5500.............$40,000
911E......6200.............$65,000
911S......7000.............$125,000
911RS....11,000...........$400,000
I have no idea when water pumpers will experience this same resurgence, but they surely will. Even the most unloved 911s have eventually become sought after: SWB pre-69s; G-Series 74-77s, 964s. It will happen to 996s eventually (996GT3, GT2 and Turbo arguably already there).
But almost certainly, when it happens to the 991s the price deltas between the various model hierarchies will be greater than warranted by the actual differences between the models. That's just how collectors are. Is a 427 Hemi Cuda really worth a half-million more than a 440-Six-Pack Cuda for its marginally greater performance?
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Well, I ended up getting a very nice CPO 2015 Carrera GTS with 6k miles.
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
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Originally Posted by ctporsche
Well, I ended up getting a very nice CPO 2015 Carrera GTS with 6k miles.
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
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Very sharp!
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Is it for dd with a lot of city driving? If yes, the newer turbo would be great. Otherwise, gts all the way.
Whether the car keeps its value or depreciates are irrelevant 😋
PF
Whether the car keeps its value or depreciates are irrelevant 😋
PF
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Well, I ended up getting a very nice CPO 2015 Carrera GTS with 6k miles.
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
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Well, I ended up getting a very nice CPO 2015 Carrera GTS with 6k miles.
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara ® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester ® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
Rhodium Silver Metallic/Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara
Additional Equipment
030 PASM Sport Suspension
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
435 20" 911 Turbo S Wheels
487 Manual Transmission
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
EGA Carbon Fiber Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
GW Leather Interior in Black with Alcantara ® incl. GTS Interior Package
P3K Burmester ® Audio Package
S2 Rhodium Silver Metallic
XAT SportDesign package
XFR Instrument dials in Racing Yellow
XHM Center Console Trim in Carbon Fiber
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Thanks guys. I really love the car (perfect build for me) and the deal was very attractive financially too. Things often happen in life for a reason - I had come close to buying few other cars or some had been bought by others before I could make a commitment. Once I saw this opportunity, I acted fast and locked it in.
My 17-year old son and I drove the GTS 700 miles back to CT (he drove almost half of the way). Despite the long drive, it was a blast - the 3.8 NA engine does sing. I intend to keep this beauty forever.
My 17-year old son and I drove the GTS 700 miles back to CT (he drove almost half of the way). Despite the long drive, it was a blast - the 3.8 NA engine does sing. I intend to keep this beauty forever.
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Thanks guys. I really love the car (perfect build for me) and the deal was very attractive financially too. Things often happen in life for a reason - I had come close to buying few other cars or some had been bought by others before I could make a commitment. Once I saw this opportunity, I acted fast and locked it in.
My 17-year old son and I drove the GTS 700 miles back to CT (he drove almost half of the way). Despite the long drive, it was a blast - the 3.8 NA engine does sing. I intend to keep this beauty forever.
My 17-year old son and I drove the GTS 700 miles back to CT (he drove almost half of the way). Despite the long drive, it was a blast - the 3.8 NA engine does sing. I intend to keep this beauty forever.
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When I picked up my current 991.1S (insanely loaded, orig MSRP 172k, powerkit, PCCBs, aero kit cup, etc - my dream car), I said to my wife that I would never, ever sell this car.
My wife replied, "That's what you said the last time," referring to my previous 991.1S I bought two years ago.
I think she is on to me!
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