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Yellow and manual is gonna be a real tough sell especially for non-Porsche dealer. I'd toss out the number $60k and see how they respond...sometimes these non-Porsche dealers just want these cars gone.
Agreed. I bought my M3 for wholesale from a Dodge dealer out in the country. They had no buyer for it; people weren't willing to drive 30 minutes from the city to go see it. You often see great prices on Porsche from non-luxury dealers especially; bookmark those and see if the prices fall. The non-affiliated dealers who buy cars at wholesale on auction are a different story; they rarely budge on price unless it's a time of year issue. By the time they pay auction fees, transport, reconditioning, they are quite a bit more into the car than, say that Dodge dealer who took the M3 on trade for a truck; that Dodge dealer may not even be planning on making anything on the car, as he has plenty of new product and service to sell. Also, sometimes other luxury new car dealerships don't want a competing brand on the lot and will try to clear it quickly; a friend scored a great deal on an Audi TT from a Mercedes dealer that way.
The luxury used car dealers who operate on purchasing at auction can't afford misses and stale inventory though, much harder to find a good deal there in my experience. A friend who owns one says target sale price is 20% over the auction price, to cover everything they have into it, and he will hold a car for 6 months before changing the price; if he didn't believe it would sell, he wouldn't have purchased it to start with. Someone taking a trade can go much lower and has less skin in the game if they think it won't sell.
So yeah, look for the Ford or Toyota dealer with a gorgeous 911 on their lot that the sales guy is clueless about. Then again, the Kia dealer nearby always has M3's, 991's, and 981's on the lot. The manager just likes having cool cars there; weird though that it's at Kia.
Did anyone else take a look at the Carfax on the Yellow C4 I'm looking at? Hard to make sense of it - looks to have just bounced from dealer to dealer? Any red flags here or is this common?
Did anyone else take a look at the Carfax on the Yellow C4 I'm looking at? Hard to make sense of it - looks to have just bounced from dealer to dealer? Any red flags here or is this common?
I'd ask for details. I think just shuffled around because of it not selling. Non Porsche dealers have a tough time moving 911's. I'd check for over revs too. Many Porsche dealers will avoid manuals with excessive over revs.
Always a lot of "ifs" with used cars. Best to ask as many questions as possible and get a PPI if there are a lot of doubts.
One thing we've discussed is dealer margins. Pretty much have that figured out.
Any insight into commission for the sales person? Is it a sliding scale depending on % discount? I assume so.
Do some sales people play more hardball to protect their commission? Some always leave the final negotiated price decision to be made by a manager, etc. wondering how it all plays into the deal.
I would think salesmen have an idea of the rock bottom price they are allowed to sell at and still refer to needing management approval for "posturing"...
I would think salesmen have an idea of the rock bottom price they are allowed to sell at and still refer to needing management approval for "posturing"...
^ yes.....they all have a good idea at what price they can sell the car at, on that given day, to that given customer. they'll take from one pocket to fill the other if need be to get said vehicle sold. totally agree with you on the posturing.
I was ready to commit mentally but then realized it does have an accident on the CarFax. Take a look. Dealer said it was just a minor accident and was repaired by Porsche. They also paid ProView inspection report available on the site.
A C4S is out of my price range but this one is right there. Would it be unadvisable to buy a car with this blemish on the history? Not a salvage title so that's still clean. I'm thinking that if I ever try to sell this down the road I'm going to have a hell of time getting rid of it. Thoughts? Need to make the call on this one.
If you have any friends in the insurance business they may be able to get some info. on the incident that damaged it assuming it was an insurance claim. True car detective!
I was ready to commit mentally but then realized it does have an accident on the CarFax. Take a look. Dealer said it was just a minor accident and was repaired by Porsche. They also paid ProView inspection report available on the site.
A C4S is out of my price range but this one is right there. Would it be unadvisable to buy a car with this blemish on the history? Not a salvage title so that's still clean. I'm thinking that if I ever try to sell this down the road I'm going to have a hell of time getting rid of it. Thoughts? Need to make the call on this one.
Firstly, I think the advertised price is way high. Yes, the overall mileage is low, but it is still three years old. It is being priced like a 2014 MY, not a 2013. And this pricing level would assume an accident-free car.
Secondly, whatever the dealer says - "it was only minor, it was only a squirrel that jumped onto the bumper, it was only a kid with a pillow," - whatever. Consider the reverse situation if you were to try to trade a car with a documented accident on its history to a dealer. First thing they would do is whip out a paint meter and start dinging you on condition - "oh, the color doesn't quite match, we couldn't sell it like this, not without us putting thousands into it," etc.
Like you said, you will have a hell of a time on resale. The only way I would even begin to consider a car with accident history would be (A) if I absolutely knew I was going to keep it FOREVER AND EVER and (B) it was a terrific deal and (C) it was optioned exactly the way I wanted. And I would still want an independent PPI to verify the level of damage and integrity of the repair.
Otherwise, there are way too many accident-free cars out there to even go down this road.
05-06-2016, 03:07 AM
Sorry. 2011 997.2
