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I'm shocked that some dealers are still over $120K on 991.1 GTS's. Can't see them selling at those prices.
Seriously, same cars we see at other dealers and listed in the past for like $10K+ less. Such a big variation in asking prices. Bizarre.
^ Maybe connects a dot for me, as I am consistently amazed by the sky high MSRP of poorly configured 991.2 Carrera/S/T/GTS in dealer inventories. $110-120k for base Carreras that don't have cohesive or interesting specs for an enthusiast (i.e., will never be HFS), and $140-160k GTSs (why not get a Turbo or GT3, assuming one can get one?). Maybe $120k 991.1 GTSs move in light of the above, or at least maybe that's a "good" starting point on the ask...
I’d still take the mahogany GTS. This sell at the dealer it picks up CPO and looks like the last owner bought it for the season and put just over 4K miles on it. But I’d rather sell my C2 private than trade it to the dealer so I’ll likely miss it again. So I dropped the ask on mine in the classifieds.
I’d still take the mahogany GTS. This sell at the dealer it picks up CPO and looks like the last owner bought it for the season and put just over 4K miles on it. But I’d rather sell my C2 private than trade it to the dealer so I’ll likely miss it again. So I dropped the ask on mine in the classifieds.
How ironic. You first posted about it in NOV 2017, and it's back up for sale. Not to doubt your selling skillz, but your car has been for sale for one year now. Let's get that thing sold! Didn't look at any comps, but no car should be for sale a year. 90 days is tops. Just giving you some advice. Would hate to see you miss out on other cars because of it.
^ Maybe connects a dot for me, as I am consistently amazed by the sky high MSRP of poorly configured 991.2 Carrera/S/T/GTS in dealer inventories. $110-120k for base Carreras that don't have cohesive or interesting specs for an enthusiast (i.e., will never be HFS), and $140-160k GTSs (why not get a Turbo or GT3, assuming one can get one?). Maybe $120k 991.1 GTSs move in light of the above, or at least maybe that's a "good" starting point on the ask...
Smart dealers in the 991.1 era were very conscious of "lot build" MSRP's. They knew once they hit $125K++ their buyers pool dried up. Anything over $135K and good luck.
Not sure what happened with 991.2's but there are so many bloated whale builds it's crazy. I assume it has to do with those who think they're smarter than the rest and thinking a hot market and bloated builds will sell, and with more commission $$ for them. Not only are they bloated builds, they're terribly spec'd as well. Too bad with more limited allocations this past years, so many cars have been literally wasted on hard/impossible to sell dealer spec lot cars.
I think many dealers have misread the market and thinking they can sell these bloated cars. Keep it simple guys!! Who do these dealers have ordering cars for them anyway?? Sometimes I think it's the less qualified person in the room or they play pin the tail on the build on the office wall.
Dropped the price down to $ 98,000 OBO for my 15 GTS Cab and have had only one lowball offer. I pulled seven comps for 2015 GTS Cabs and came up with $108,560 average and 18,250 miles. I've had sales in the past after auction has ended so who knows. T https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...l#post15213742
Dropped the price down to $ 98,000 OBO for my 15 GTS Cab and have had only one lowball offer. I pulled seven comps for 2015 GTS Cabs and came up with $108,560 average and 18,250 miles. I've had sales in the past after auction has ended so who knows. T https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...l#post15213742
Strange to me that the car wouldn't move quickly, Tony. It's a great car, great model, and in a highly desirable color with broad appeal.
That said, I wonder if it isn't a bit like a GT4 with aftermarket wing uprights and tinted windows that didn't light fires on BaT a while back—buyers can be funny and infer things from stuff like clear taillights, painted reflectors, aftermarket wheels, etc. Reverting to stock on those three items might broaden your appeal significantly—this thought offered respectfully!
Would definitely market the car with OEM wheels and sell the aftermarket wheels on their own. Over and over I've seen, stock 911's sell faster than ones with non OEM parts. The more molested a car is, the harder the sell.
Springs, flash tunes, Vorsteiner this or that, bypass pipes, etc .. return $0 and I'd actually argue reduces value.
How ironic. You first posted about it in NOV 2017, and it's back up for sale. Not to doubt your selling skillz, but your car has been for sale for one year now. Let's get that thing sold! Didn't look at any comps, but no car should be for sale a year. 90 days is tops. Just giving you some advice. Would hate to see you miss out on other cars because of it.
Not sure what’s up with that VIN link but it isn’t correct on MSRP or equipment. The one in the ad is correct. I haven’t exactly been pushing the sale. It’s been in the classifieds and I occasionally bump it and I had it on the high side when compared to comps. The new price should have it in a range to sell. I think I always assume I need to leave room to haggle instead of just listing at what I want. I love the car and really only want a different exterior color. I’ve been considering a wrap if the new price doesn’t interest anyone.
Yes they do. It's also listed as such on the title. No way to hide it.
I'd love to know how quality those repairs are?? Can't imagine these guys used some Porsche Certified body shop. Wouldn't touch a car with that much damage with a 10ft pole.
^^ Your car looks very well taken care of. If only not happy with the color, an exterior wrap would definitely be the most cost-effective solution.
Thanks for the shout out / call out. As you know, I wasn't gonna just scroll thru and not comment.
First of all at 54% (or whatever it was) it's not "salvage" or "total" necessarily. In california, some insurance companies will spend up to 100% without totalling a car. I've even had a case where they went over, and then fudged the valuation to justify that the car was worth MORE than what it was, just so they don't get caught in a situation where they have to total a car after having already spent $50K on repairs. Personally, if I can write 50% on a preliminary, it's a total! What we're looking at here is a $70K damage. BUT, since the numbers are what they are, it might have been sold in auction as a "clean title." Nothing to disclose.
Buyer beware!
As for the repairs, since non-PACC's can't even get those parts. The must've done some creative (read: not safe) metal work.
Thanks for the info Sam. Very educational. So you guys know, PACC's are Porsche Authorized Service Centers. Factory Authorized Body Shops. Didn't realize that only those shops have access to some OEM parts.
If any of you SoCal guys ever are in need or anything small or large cosmetic or
auto body related, give Sam a ring. He knows Porsche's better than anyone.
Hello all. First post on Rennlist. STG...Great Thread. So happy to see you were able to bring it back to life.
Wanted to get everyone's opinion on the following car. It has an accident reported. I know most of you would say never touch a car that's been hit, but I am assuming that's at a certain price. I figure the car (no accident) would be sold for around $63-$68K. This one is listed at $60K. How much would you be willing to offer on this car assuming PPI was clean? I'm thinking $52K?
Carfax shows accident. Rear hit. No airbags deployed. Car was functional after accident.
Year: 2012 Make: Porsche Model: 911 S Mileage (numbers only please): 35669 Color: Black VIN:WP0AB2A92CS121113 Price (no $ sign please): $59942 Private or Dealer Listing: Dealer Listing Location (Region): NorthEast Body Style: Coupe Transmission Type: PDK
Nah not a good price at all. I bought mine with similar buildsheet as that, for 65k 10k+ less miles and no accident. I'd say no more than 55k or lower for it.
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