991 Vs 991S
05-22-2014, 12:57 PM
#91
Just so i never had a "I should have gone with an S" moment, I never test drove an "s" coming from my 997. As my DD, in Washington DC traffic, I find ample power and the car is certainly "fast enough" (blasphemy, i know...) for my needs. Im sure the "S" is awesomer...
05-22-2014, 01:04 PM
#92
Burning Brakes
Stevebmd - I on the other hand have driven them all, find all of them to be awesome, but chose the car that is best suited for me...(and like you,) I did it all by myself! Imagine that!
05-22-2014, 03:34 PM
#95
An invalid but perfectly understandable perception is that most others share our attitudes and values. Having owned 911s for over 40 years, I have found that most Porsche owners are sports car enthusiasts and take a great deal of pride in their Porsches regardless of model. But there are others who buy a Porsche as a status symbol. This latter group is far less likely than the former to wave or even acknowledge a wave from another Porsche owner.
Moreover, there are many people who simply don't value what Porsche offers. To this group a car that offers comfort and almost complete isolation from the road is what they value. So a $90K Lexus LS 460 is the car that they buy, and they are completely baffled as to why anyone would spend $125K+ on a compact car that offers little in the way of comfort.
Bottom line is that those who buy a Porsche to impress others will likely be disappointed, since as incredible as it may be to members of this forum, there are many people who don't care for Porsches for a variety of reasons.
Moreover, there are many people who simply don't value what Porsche offers. To this group a car that offers comfort and almost complete isolation from the road is what they value. So a $90K Lexus LS 460 is the car that they buy, and they are completely baffled as to why anyone would spend $125K+ on a compact car that offers little in the way of comfort.
Bottom line is that those who buy a Porsche to impress others will likely be disappointed, since as incredible as it may be to members of this forum, there are many people who don't care for Porsches for a variety of reasons.
I bought the car b/c I enjoy driving and the feeling of driving a sports car where I feel connected to the car and am actively engaged in driving. Hence why the MT is so important to me. Taking that away ruins the fun of driving for me.
That said, I also value luxury cars like the LS, S, 7 series, etc for being good at what they do. If I need to sit in traffic for hours and am exhausted I want a rolling living room. So depending on how I feel and the driving I'll either take the luxury car or the sports car. I don't understand putting a "sport package" on a luxury car or dumbing down sports cars to act just like a luxury car.
05-22-2014, 03:43 PM
#96
I would never be able to spend $80K or more on a base Carrera, just because, for that price, I don't want to be driving the bottom-rung Carrera. $80K for the bottom? Not for me.
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own
05-22-2014, 04:28 PM
#97
Racer
I would never be able to spend $80K or more on a base Carrera, just because, for that price, I don't want to be driving the bottom-rung Carrera. $80K for the bottom? Not for me.
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own
05-22-2014, 04:48 PM
#98
Racer
I would never be able to spend $80K or more on a base Carrera, just because, for that price, I don't want to be driving the bottom-rung Carrera. $80K for the bottom? Not for me.
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own
Buy the most expensive bottle of wine that a mediocre winery sells, rather than the least expensive wine that a good winery sells. Like with car shopping, you don't even have to taste the wine, just make sure it's not "entry level" and you should be ok.
But the most expensive house in the least desirable neighborhood rather than the least expensive house in a more desirable neighborhood. As a bonus, all your new neighbors will look up to you for having the nicest house!
05-22-2014, 05:03 PM
#99
Hey, it's just my opinion.
Comparing wine to cars is a specious analogy. An $80K also-ran would leave a worse taste in my mouth than a $50 bottle of poodle-wash wine, that's for sure. And the best lesser car doesn't always mean "mediocre".
Your real estate analogy is also terribly flawed, as you can always tear down the worst house in the best neighborhood or remodel it to make it better. If you buy a base Carrera, you cannot make it an S, GT3 or Turbo. You're stuck with what you have.
$80K is a lot of money for a lowest on the totem pole model car. That's my point
Comparing wine to cars is a specious analogy. An $80K also-ran would leave a worse taste in my mouth than a $50 bottle of poodle-wash wine, that's for sure. And the best lesser car doesn't always mean "mediocre".
Your real estate analogy is also terribly flawed, as you can always tear down the worst house in the best neighborhood or remodel it to make it better. If you buy a base Carrera, you cannot make it an S, GT3 or Turbo. You're stuck with what you have.
$80K is a lot of money for a lowest on the totem pole model car. That's my point
05-22-2014, 05:23 PM
#100
Racer
Hey, it's just my opinion.
Comparing wine to cars is a specious analogy. An $80K also-ran would leave a worse taste in my mouth than a $50 bottle of poodle-wash wine, that's for sure. And the best lesser car doesn't always mean "mediocre".
Your real estate analogy is also terribly flawed, as you can always tear down the worst house in the best neighborhood or remodel it to make it better. If you buy a base Carrera, you cannot make it an S, GT3 or Turbo. You're stuck with what you have.
$80K is a lot of money for a lowest on the totem pole model car. That's my point
Comparing wine to cars is a specious analogy. An $80K also-ran would leave a worse taste in my mouth than a $50 bottle of poodle-wash wine, that's for sure. And the best lesser car doesn't always mean "mediocre".
Your real estate analogy is also terribly flawed, as you can always tear down the worst house in the best neighborhood or remodel it to make it better. If you buy a base Carrera, you cannot make it an S, GT3 or Turbo. You're stuck with what you have.
$80K is a lot of money for a lowest on the totem pole model car. That's my point
05-22-2014, 05:32 PM
#101
Well, I already own the Carrera I wanted, so I don't need to test-drive
But if I were in the market, for $80K, one could get a used 997.2 Carrera GTS, or a new base 991 Carrera.
I know which one I'd choose.
But if I were in the market, for $80K, one could get a used 997.2 Carrera GTS, or a new base 991 Carrera.
I know which one I'd choose.
05-22-2014, 06:51 PM
#102
Well, I already own the Carrera I wanted, so I don't need to test-drive
But if I were in the market, for $80K, one could get a used 997.2 Carrera GTS, or a new base 991 Carrera.
I know which one I'd choose.
But if I were in the market, for $80K, one could get a used 997.2 Carrera GTS, or a new base 991 Carrera.
I know which one I'd choose.
alec
05-23-2014, 12:08 AM
#104
IMHO we should all stick together and just be happy with what we drive. I don't know if it's just me, where I work, whatever, but why do people feel the need to kick each other in the nuts over their car. Boxster is "girl Porsche", Cayman "poor man Porsche" or "when you can't afford 911", 911 is either "wow that's so expensive, must be nice" or "why didn't you get turbo?" We should be laughing at those morons we are all surrounded by rather than committing fratricide on ourselves. But I'm just a new guy so what do I know?
05-23-2014, 12:23 AM
#105
I would never be able to spend $80K or more on a base Carrera, just because, for that price, I don't want to be driving the bottom-rung Carrera. $80K for the bottom? Not for me.
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own
I'd rather have another lesser automaker's best, flagship car at $80K than a stripped down least coveted purposely-kept-down Carrera for the same money.
I would have a hard time spending that kind of money for the "least" of something. I'd rather drive the "best" of something, even if it was a lesser brand car.
However, to each his own