No More Manual Gear Box for The 911?
11-28-2013, 02:42 AM
#421
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11-28-2013, 09:12 AM
#422
+1. This is my fun car. I like using the 3rd pedal. I'm not interested in shaving a few tenths going around a track.
The PDK guys, for whatever reason, can't seem to understand this. Makes me wonder if they are embarrassed for their choice, and want us to join them so they don't feel so bad.
11-28-2013, 09:19 AM
#423
Drifting
They thought they knew more when the 928 was introduced also. We know how that turned out.
11-28-2013, 09:24 AM
#424
Drifting
+1. This is my fun car. I like using the 3rd pedal. I'm not interested in shaving a few tenths going around a track.
The PDK guys, for whatever reason, can't seem to understand this. Makes me wonder if they are embarrassed for their choice, and want us to join them so they don't feel so bad.
The PDK guys, for whatever reason, can't seem to understand this. Makes me wonder if they are embarrassed for their choice, and want us to join them so they don't feel so bad.
Last edited by GSIRM3; 11-28-2013 at 11:49 AM.
11-28-2013, 09:47 AM
#425
Burning Brakes
Having control of the clutch is an important aspect of having control over a vehicle. Threshold braking into a corner and being be able to meet out just the right amount of engine braking, moving the brake bias to the driven wheels just before rev matching to the new gear, apexing and returning to full throttle is very entertaining for me. You can't control the slip in an auto.
11-28-2013, 11:29 AM
#426
Three Wheelin'
11-28-2013, 11:43 AM
#427
Three Wheelin'
Having control of the clutch is an important aspect of having control over a vehicle. Threshold braking into a corner and being be able to meet out just the right amount of engine braking, moving the brake bias to the driven wheels just before rev matching to the new gear, apexing and returning to full throttle is very entertaining for me. You can't control the slip in an auto.
You are advocating using the clutch to play around with weight transfer. That sounds like an inefficient way to do that, actually resulting in less control !
The part the clutch plays in control of the vehicle is in its closed position, allowing you both options, being throttle and brakes, to play with. Clutch should be open and by definition out of control as little as possible !
11-28-2013, 01:58 PM
#428
Rennlist Member
Hi, guys, what's going on in this thread? I was out driving. What'd I miss?
11-28-2013, 10:47 PM
#430
Burning Brakes
My instructors always tell me te engine is for speeding up, the brakes are for braking. That's why we heel-toe, to minimize influence of engine on braking and weight transfer. Weight transfer should be managed by throttle and brakes.
You are advocating using the clutch to play around with weight transfer. That sounds like an inefficient way to do that, actually resulting in less control !
The part the clutch plays in control of the vehicle is in its closed position, allowing you both options, being throttle and brakes, to play with. Clutch should be open and by definition out of control as little as possible !
You are advocating using the clutch to play around with weight transfer. That sounds like an inefficient way to do that, actually resulting in less control !
The part the clutch plays in control of the vehicle is in its closed position, allowing you both options, being throttle and brakes, to play with. Clutch should be open and by definition out of control as little as possible !
Frankly, that level of car control won't come from an instructor. I've taught everything from car control clinics on dirt and gravel to open wheel race series qualifications and everything in between since I was fifteen. You use the tools available to you and you teach to the student's level. Everyone on the internet is an F1 driver and I don't mean to sound like one of those asses, but the level of ability between "instructors" is immense. Dictating the attitude of the car with the clutch is fun and effective.
11-29-2013, 12:30 AM
#431
Frankly, that level of car control won't come from an instructor. I've taught everything from car control clinics on dirt and gravel to open wheel race series qualifications and everything in between since I was fifteen. You use the tools available to you and you teach to the student's level. Everyone on the internet is an F1 driver and I don't mean to sound like one of those asses, but the level of ability between "instructors" is immense. Dictating the attitude of the car with the clutch is fun and effective.
11-29-2013, 05:30 AM
#432
Three Wheelin'
11-29-2013, 09:29 AM
#433
Burning Brakes
11-29-2013, 09:37 AM
#434
Burning Brakes
