991 50th anniversary model
08-08-2013, 11:25 AM
#226
if US 911-50 is the same price as a C2S, 911-50 is an utter bargain .. which would mostly explain 'no discounts'.
08-08-2013, 12:42 PM
#227
^^^ that is not what he meant. It's been mentioned numerous times that asking price for 50th anniversary in the USA is really a bargain. When you lightly optioned C2S up to 50th specs (leather interior, x51, 14 way seats), the price become at about the same. All other things that come with 50th considered freebies, a lot of freebies.
One may argue it is more expensive since discounts will not be given, but when they only built 1963 examples worldwide with wide body = worth the price of admission and considered lucky enough to have the opportunities to buy it. All other 'normal' model can be bought anytime of the day.
One may argue it is more expensive since discounts will not be given, but when they only built 1963 examples worldwide with wide body = worth the price of admission and considered lucky enough to have the opportunities to buy it. All other 'normal' model can be bought anytime of the day.
08-08-2013, 03:07 PM
#228
^^^ that is not what he meant. It's been mentioned numerous times that asking price for 50th anniversary in the USA is really a bargain. When you lightly optioned C2S up to 50th specs (leather interior, x51, 14 way seats), the price become at about the same. All other things that come with 50th considered freebies, a lot of freebies.
One may argue it is more expensive since discounts will not be given, but when they only built 1963 examples worldwide with wide body = worth the price of admission and considered lucky enough to have the opportunities to buy it. All other 'normal' model can be bought anytime of the day.
One may argue it is more expensive since discounts will not be given, but when they only built 1963 examples worldwide with wide body = worth the price of admission and considered lucky enough to have the opportunities to buy it. All other 'normal' model can be bought anytime of the day.
08-08-2013, 06:52 PM
#229
I was comparing the prices in switzerland with the ones in the US. And I have to disagree that the anniversary model is a good bargain in the US. Truth is, that every Porsche is. We pay about 55'000$ more for a CS2 in europe. In america, you get three 911 for the price of two in switzerland. Porsche seems to be very eager to sell their cars in the US.
But the 911 50 is not the better bargain than any other model. In the US, it is about 25 percent more expensive than the CS2 ($125k vs. $99k), the cost for the X51 is easily covered. In switzerland, the anniversary model upgraded with X51 would cost chf 177k - also 25 percent more then the CS2 (chf 141k). Percentaged, the surcharge is the same.
On the other hand, I agree that the 911 50 is sold at a reasonable price, from a Porsche point of view at least. It includes options for about chf 17'000 (did not check for the US-prices), such as the seats, leather interior, pdls, pse, sport design steering wheel and lots of deviated stitching. Which means that the wide body, the chrome trim, the wheels, the color, the superb styling of the instruments and limited edition cost my a mere chf 5'000, which I'm more than ready to pay.
I hope this was more or less comprehensible. The subject exceeded the limits of my poor english by far, I'm afraid. Sorry for this.
But the 911 50 is not the better bargain than any other model. In the US, it is about 25 percent more expensive than the CS2 ($125k vs. $99k), the cost for the X51 is easily covered. In switzerland, the anniversary model upgraded with X51 would cost chf 177k - also 25 percent more then the CS2 (chf 141k). Percentaged, the surcharge is the same.
On the other hand, I agree that the 911 50 is sold at a reasonable price, from a Porsche point of view at least. It includes options for about chf 17'000 (did not check for the US-prices), such as the seats, leather interior, pdls, pse, sport design steering wheel and lots of deviated stitching. Which means that the wide body, the chrome trim, the wheels, the color, the superb styling of the instruments and limited edition cost my a mere chf 5'000, which I'm more than ready to pay.
I hope this was more or less comprehensible. The subject exceeded the limits of my poor english by far, I'm afraid. Sorry for this.
08-08-2013, 07:16 PM
#230
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I was comparing the prices in switzerland with the ones in the US. And I have to disagree that the anniversary model is a good bargain in the US. Truth is, that every Porsche is. We pay about 55'000$ more for a CS2 in europe. In america, you get three 911 for the price of two in switzerland. Porsche seems to be very eager to sell their cars in the US.
But the 911 50 is not the better bargain than any other model. In the US, it is about 25 percent more expensive than the CS2 ($125k vs. $99k), the cost for the X51 is easily covered. In switzerland, the anniversary model upgraded with X51 would cost chf 177k - also 25 percent more then the CS2 (chf 141k). Percentaged, the surcharge is the same.
On the other hand, I agree that the 911 50 is sold at a reasonable price, from a Porsche point of view at least. It includes options for about chf 17'000 (did not check for the US-prices), such as the seats, leather interior, pdls, pse, sport design steering wheel and lots of deviated stitching. Which means that the wide body, the chrome trim, the wheels, the color, the superb styling of the instruments and limited edition cost my a mere chf 5'000, which I'm more than ready to pay.
I hope this was more or less comprehensible. The subject exceeded the limits of my poor english by far, I'm afraid. Sorry for this.
But the 911 50 is not the better bargain than any other model. In the US, it is about 25 percent more expensive than the CS2 ($125k vs. $99k), the cost for the X51 is easily covered. In switzerland, the anniversary model upgraded with X51 would cost chf 177k - also 25 percent more then the CS2 (chf 141k). Percentaged, the surcharge is the same.
On the other hand, I agree that the 911 50 is sold at a reasonable price, from a Porsche point of view at least. It includes options for about chf 17'000 (did not check for the US-prices), such as the seats, leather interior, pdls, pse, sport design steering wheel and lots of deviated stitching. Which means that the wide body, the chrome trim, the wheels, the color, the superb styling of the instruments and limited edition cost my a mere chf 5'000, which I'm more than ready to pay.
I hope this was more or less comprehensible. The subject exceeded the limits of my poor english by far, I'm afraid. Sorry for this.
It's better than my (Swiss) German haha.Regarding the 911-50, you're spot on. You get a more exclusive and special edition for about the same price as an equally optioned C2S, with some extra's like you said.
I too, did compare the prices between different countries, but U.S. Is by far the less expensive country to buy a Porsche. It's a good thing to know, because we have something to do business with our salesmen... They could easily give us some better discounts. That said, we have the benefit of the Swiss Package, which is not a bad thing IMO.
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08-08-2013, 07:33 PM
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I received a spray out of Geysir Grey from my dealer this morning. For anyone familiar with the Ferrari Maserati triple layer colour of Bianco Fuji I'd say it's very close in terms of the physical colour but not as vivid a metallic as it is not a triple layer paint. I think I'm going to switch to it.
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08-09-2013, 04:21 AM
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I wouldn't say that Geyser Grey has a yellowish tint. It is more of a cream colour with a hint of grey to it. When I held the spray out panel up against the GT silver paint on my 981 Boxster you could really notice the grey tint but when held against the diamond finish surface of the Carrera Classic wheels it looked much more of a metallic white.
08-09-2013, 07:25 AM
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08-09-2013, 09:57 AM
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Market price is also influenced by the surrounding competition. Look at the corvette price in the US. Who's gonna buy a Porsche 3 times a corvette's price?
Although the 50th is a relatively good buy in the US, it pales in comparison to the 991 GT3 in the "bang for the buck" comparison.
Although the 50th is a relatively good buy in the US, it pales in comparison to the 991 GT3 in the "bang for the buck" comparison.
08-09-2013, 10:27 AM
#236
Perhaps we're all somewhat overly influenced by others' comments on the subject of color, particularly when that's our only source of input. I certainly plead guilty to that. I've noticed that a few people have stated that they started out favoring Graphite and gradually leaned toward Geyser. That was my pattern as well. Honestly, I always thought white cars were a bit on the fem side; dark gray and black macho. Strangely, I've always liked the old Porsche cream color, particularly with the red interior, and never thought of that as being feminine. Now that I've chosen Geyser, I hope I don't have to turn in my man card upon delivery 
08-09-2013, 11:09 AM
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Market price is also influenced by the surrounding competition. Look at the corvette price in the US. Who's gonna buy a Porsche 3 times a corvette's price?
Although the 50th is a relatively good buy in the US, it pales in comparison to the 991 GT3 in the "bang for the buck" comparison.
Although the 50th is a relatively good buy in the US, it pales in comparison to the 991 GT3 in the "bang for the buck" comparison.
08-09-2013, 01:57 PM
#238
Agreed 100% on the GT3 point - very similar money to the 911 - 50. Just some of us need back seats.
IMHO, I would buy the car in Germany and import it rather than pay Swiss prices (which are mostly a function of the EUR/CHF FX rate and the Swiss dealers having to keep Swiss prices relatively consistent over time in CHF).
No matter which way you cut it, the Swiss dealer talk, swiss package stuff etc, just doesnt add up. And as for re-sale, well, there are so many non-Swiss cars being offered for sale in Switzerland that that drives the prices down to those levels anyway.
I think I did the math and you can basically either be a good Swiss and buy a C2S at Riesbach (and be made to feel bad for asking about discounts), or you can effectively part with the same amount of money and get a GT3 in Germany and import it into CH.
IMHO, I would buy the car in Germany and import it rather than pay Swiss prices (which are mostly a function of the EUR/CHF FX rate and the Swiss dealers having to keep Swiss prices relatively consistent over time in CHF).
No matter which way you cut it, the Swiss dealer talk, swiss package stuff etc, just doesnt add up. And as for re-sale, well, there are so many non-Swiss cars being offered for sale in Switzerland that that drives the prices down to those levels anyway.
I think I did the math and you can basically either be a good Swiss and buy a C2S at Riesbach (and be made to feel bad for asking about discounts), or you can effectively part with the same amount of money and get a GT3 in Germany and import it into CH.
08-09-2013, 02:53 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. I have the 40th AE in GT Silver and have always loved that color. I'm lobbying my dealer to get some samples so I can see it in real life. Otherwise it's a coin flip between Graphite and Geyser.
I kind of like the idea of a color that morphs with the light and conditions. So if Geyser does that, it's a plus. I think GT Silver fits that category. Looks really awesome at night. My first Porsche was an "Egg Plant" purple and it morphed too.
I kind of like the idea of a color that morphs with the light and conditions. So if Geyser does that, it's a plus. I think GT Silver fits that category. Looks really awesome at night. My first Porsche was an "Egg Plant" purple and it morphed too.
08-09-2013, 03:41 PM
#240
The GT silver would be perfect on the 50th. Not sure that I agree that the GT3 is far more bang for the buck as much as is it "different" bang for the buck. Torque curve in lower RPM's favor the 50th with a power kit over the GT-3. You need the higher RPMs' to appreciate the GT-3's real benefits.
On a related note, I am interested to learn how many US customers have been given formal build/delivery dates. it is my impression that US customers are still waiting to learn this. I would appreciate any info.
Thanks
On a related note, I am interested to learn how many US customers have been given formal build/delivery dates. it is my impression that US customers are still waiting to learn this. I would appreciate any info.
Thanks