casaforte9

Hello folks,
I have a 991.1 4s cab with PSE , PDCC , pdk, sport chrono, ducktail etc . The best parts about my car are the flatter cornering and ride of PDCC, NA engine sound - like a milder version of GT3, The way the engine tone changes when PDK upshifts is so satisfactory . I also like the feel of the 991.1 paddles with little more travel than my previous 718 gts Boxster pdk paddles . The Boxster gts replaced a 991.1 pdk cab and after 2 years of Boxster , I was craving again for 911 so replaced it with the 4s cab

I test drove several 992 variants and they all feel less sporty over 991.1 and 991.2 and the 992 PSE sound is very average , not bad for a turbo but not like the 991.1 PSE , even the 992 gts which sounds better than 992 PSE still does not feel wow , of course the 992 gt3 sound is sublime . Am I missing something or are my observations accurate ?


I am not sure if it was worth it for Porsche to go turbo on Carreras

Laszlo_Laz

The 991.1 is a pinnacle generation for the 911. The PSE is a hoot. The NA, very special.

But I personally like and enjoy the 991.2 much more. Also feel the PSE is more than entertaining.

As for the 992, not a fan at all. But Willa smit the recent release of the Dakar, I’d grab one if I could.

Enjoy your Porsche’s everyone.

911dude41

Your observations are dead accurate. Your eyes, ears, and the rest of your sense don't lie to you, do they? I too like the longer travel of the 991.1 PDK paddles. More emotion. You can slam them back. Provide better feedback in "certain" situations of driving.

I'm on my fourth 911, currently in a 991.2 Turbo S. Used to own 991.1 4S, 991.2 base and 991.2 GTS. To this day I still say the 991.1 C4S was the best one. That 9A1 3.8 is a masterpiece. It had the most soul.

The 992 is a Panamera Coupe. Too Audi and the wrong type of modern IMO. They'll be faster in a drag race and around the track, but that means non stop ***** to the wall driving. When are you doing that? Boring experience otherwise.

I'm a big fan of the TTS but if I had to be in another 911 other than a GT3 I would go for a 991.1 S/4S/GTS. Even the base 3.4 Carrera has a soul of it's own, fantastic driving experience.

ipse dixit

Driving experience is more than just about the sound of the engine.

No doubt, the 9A1 sounds great. Better than the 9A2? Who knows.

But saying the 991.1 is better than its FI successors (991.2 and 992) based on sound alone is like saying Roseanne Barr is sexier than Paige Spiranac simply because Roseanne smells better than Paige.

Bud Taylor

But one of the things that makes the .1 great is the power delivery of the N/A engine. It reminds me of our old 2 stroke motorcycles where you wring its frenetic throat.

casaforte9

I think interior design choice is personal to some extent and some like 991 design but I now like the 992 interior too with the right colors . I remember driving a Sport pasm 991.2 PSE 911 coupe and that car handled great . The 992 coupe variants even with sport PASM never felt as sporty and overall, felt bigger than 991 . What I observed after owning 2 991.1s compared to 992s was even the pdk upshifts around 4k plus RPM were firmer and you can feel the gear change compared to a muted upshift experience in 992 . I think the refinement of 992 PDK shifts Made it feel less sporty to me , but of course I never owned a 992 so don’t have the same extended experience as 991’s

Porsche_nuts

Porsche 911 are moving towards luxury cars.

docskeet

I went from a 991.1 C2 cab to a 991.2 GTS cab. While the sound is different, the GTS with PSE sounds great. The GTS is significantly better in multiple aspects. I have no regrets after the change.

RP4S911

With all the silent cars coming our way and the muffled turbo's, the NA .1 will be today's 993 IMO.
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WJGreer

The post 991.1 cars are notably faster, especially at lower RPMs and especially at altitudes like mine, aided by the turbo boost.

I could understand people saying that the 991.2 and 992 are more fun because they require less effort to wring them out to feel like sportscars. Those people are not wrong. The 991.1 is a legitimately fast car if you understand how to drive it properly. But if you take a Camaro guy and let him drive your 991.1 around the block he may think it's slow because his car taps out at just the spot where the 911 becomes what it really is and he's afraid to drive your car that way.

The turbo cars, on the other hand, have power there for you right down low and your little sprint from zero to 50 on your way to the grocery store feels a little more special.

Can't beat the engine sound on the .1 though. It really is amazing.

911dude41

I miss that noise and feeling. The ricochet effect. The 991.1's also had that unique Porsche smell upon exiting the car after a hard drive.

Tier1Terrier

The notion that one should prefer the 991.1 over the 991.2 based mainly on the nostalgic sound of the engine is becoming very outdated. Modern turbo Carreras (991.2 or 992) with sport exhausts sound great, (and even much better with additional mods like sport cats and headers) but more importantly perform better.

My 991.2 C2S with an off the shelf basic tune and Soul sport cats growls like an angry beast with nearly as much horsepower as the 991 GT3. I’d have a pretty tough time going to a 991.1 C2S because of the “NA sound”.

It’s not like Porsche was experimenting with the 911 Carrera when they decided to switch from NA engines to Turbos. Remember that Porsche has been mastering and perfecting the use of Turbo engines in 911s for nearly 50 years and these newer turbo Carreras are simply the product of 5 decades of research and technological advancement.

https://youtu.be/UJB9ITdim5Y

911dude41

I understand that you're proud of your 991.2 with sport soul cats. It sounds like crap, like a wall of noise. Farts. Just BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. That's the sound it makes. My 991.2 GTS did too. Headers, bypass pipes and the rest couldn't save it's life. It was just louder. Nice canons on the downshifts though.

Those being short sighted and thinking it's just a "sound thing" are misinformed. It's much more than the sound. The power delivery is better and more linear. There's no lag. Yes the 991.2's have lag, same with the TTS.

The 991.1 tickles the human senses in ways the 991.2 cannot. That's okay though, you can't win em all. The PCM in the 991.1 is crap.

James88

Who needs PCM when you've got that glorious NA 3.8L singing behind you 😁

Porsche911GTS'16

+1 that the 991.1 generation will follow a trend similar to the 993 inasmuch both are the "last of" in the 911. The NA engine in the former, the air cooled engine in the latter. Now, for those looking for the NA engine driving experience in a 911, you are either looking pre-owned in a Carrera or you are buying a GT product. Even the GT cars will be losing the NA engine before too long. Having both a 991.1 GTS and a 991.2 GT3, I have to say that the 991.1 GTS's engine purrs just as beautifully as the more beastly 991.2 GT3. No doubt, the GT3 is far more the screamer. The 991.1 GTS's engine sound is more understated but no less enthralling. Further, there is a much greater difference in the sound of the engine with PSE on and off in the GTS. The difference in the GT3 is hard to decipher, except at idle, to my ears.

Any 911 with a naturally aspirated engine is one to cherish, one to keep, as their days in production, in any form, are numbered.