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Cool, that's helpful but STILL just anecdotal. The screenshot you posted literally just describes sports PASM, which, again, can be spec'd on an S (ask me how I know). That would explain the "stiffer springs and roll bars". Maybe the AWD cars have some nifty benefits derived from the TTS (again, according to Carl Over, Random Forum Guy)- but I'm not in the market for a 4. Maybe OP is so this is useful information... would be great if we had some actual documented evidence as opposed to some "maybes".
You are absolutely correct that we believe what we want to believe, especially when we're justifying our own purchases. We're both doing it right now, but at least one of us is actually looking for substantiated facts, not perceptions.
Originally Posted by Valvefloat991
You mean track not wheelbase, and the rear track of the GTS is 26mm greater than a narrow-bodied Carrera's. Combined with 0.5-inch wider wheels that means that the outer edges of the wheels are two inches further apart than they are narrow-bodied cars. Quite a bit I'd say.
This here is fantastic, and pretty much what I've been digging for. An actual explanation of why the wide-body cars would have an advantage in suspension geometry, not just "drive it and you'll see"- or a random picture. We all know what a GTS looks like, and we can all read spec sheets. I'm clearly not an expert, but this explanation pretty much puts everything to bed.
From now on I'm just going to PM valvefloat when I want actual answers, save the back and forth and rampant confirmation bias.
Thank you valvefloat991, thread hero. Are you a shop foreman by any chance?
I'm not too proud or stubborn to change my perception- the GTS is a clearly better car, categorically. I still think I made the right call with what I want out of a car, and my C2S hits all the notes I need... but for anyone currently in the market hopefully this thread can fill in all the gaps- with facts, not just opinions. Just took a little more effort than usual to extract them.
This thread cracks me up. GTS and S owners arguing over details that 99% of the rest of the world would never see, understand, or care about. You guys are buying based on perceived resale value? Really? I do find it entertaining. We all love 911s. Can we agree that our cars are all a lot more alike then non-911s? And that different people prefer different things? eg for me it’s MT and PSE. Love bold colors for others, but I like silver. That is okay, right?
Last edited by PAPorscheGuy; 03-27-2021 at 02:06 AM.
PAPorscheGuy - you are absolutely right. Most 911 drivers do not know the difference between a V6 and a flat six, an NA engine and a turbo.
But many of us here on RL are not your "average" 911 drivers. We enjoy discussing the fine details that the "average" 911 driver could care less about. Just like others do the same for, say, the music of The Beatles, The Boss, The Grateful Dead. Or the works of Shakespeare. Whatever.
One man's minutia is another man's passion. That's life.
Last edited by Porsche911GTS'16; 03-27-2021 at 02:29 AM.
PAPorscheGuy - you are absolutely right. Most 911 drivers do not know the difference between a V6 and a flat six, an NA engine and a turbo.
But many of us here on RL are not your "average" 911 drivers. We enjoy discussing the fine details that the "average" 911 driver could care less about. Just like others do the same for, say, the music of The Beatles, The Boss, The Grateful Dead. Or the works of Shakespeare. Whatever.
One man's minutia is another man's passion. That's life.
Understood. I’m just saying that many of the statements here are highly subjective and based personal preference not facts. Claims that yours is much better or more “special” than mine when they are much more the same than different are ridiculous. Should I have bought a PDK when I wanted an MT? It looks better on paper. If a primary concern is resale value, perhaps he should spend the difference on a car with lower mileage - arguably a more important factor
Last edited by PAPorscheGuy; 03-27-2021 at 06:42 AM.
No cars really hold their value except rare collectibles. The only reason I have a GTS is because the S owner wouldn’t budge on price and the GTS did making it only slightly more expensive but not the total color I wanted. So I went for the higher trim. I doubt a boneheaded driver like could’ve noticed the difference between S and GTS outside of GTS on the seats.
No cars really hold their value except rare collectibles. The only reason I have a GTS is because the S owner wouldn’t budge on price and the GTS did making it only slightly more expensive but not the total color I wanted. So I went for the higher trim. I doubt a boneheaded driver like could’ve noticed the difference between S and GTS outside of GTS on the seats.
GTS is awesome. Exactly what it says - an S with some GT features. It is a step up in trim level. I was attracted to the arguably more classic “S”. Mine is a 2019 C2S MT with low miles, so that’s where I put my money vs an older, higher mileage GTS/TTS - plus I prefer leather and the S wheels - but that’s me. Could have also picked up a used 992 for similar money, but hope most here would agree that the 991 was a better choice.
How "close" is my 2014 C4S to a GTS? It has the following performance oriented things added (among a lot of other options, MSRP was $166k according to the sticker)
Powerkit which includes the sport exhaust & sport chrono
PDCC and PASM sport suspension
7-speed manual transmission
20" Carrera classic wheels
18-way leather sport seats plus (everything in the interior is apparently leather, including the air vents...)
LED/Dynamic lighting plus
From a performance / driving experience perspective, is there anything else a GTS would have that mine doesn't?
03-26-2021, 08:33 AM
I'm missing mine already
