Standard, Bose, Burmester, or Custom Audio?
Racer
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im an audio guy... B&W, classe', etc... and a past car audio fan. in my opinion, the noise floor in these cars makes it hard for them to sound good at anything but high volumes at that point, the size of the car is restrictive to support equipment needed to produce high volume and high quality. yes, highs can be better, yes lows can be better (no highs, no lows, it must be bose). i have the bose in my new car and in my previous. i have burmester in my mercedes. all are just slightly better than meh. one of the better sounding factory car stereos was in my 2017 Volvo XC90 with the B&Ws. i personally wouldnt spend the money on the porsche burmester. bose is ok enough and i like the idea of nicks tweeters.
Track Day
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im an audio guy... B&W, classe', etc... and a past car audio fan. in my opinion, the noise floor in these cars makes it hard for them to sound good at anything but high volumes at that point, the size of the car is restrictive to support equipment needed to produce high volume and high quality. yes, highs can be better, yes lows can be better (no highs, no lows, it must be bose). i have the bose in my new car and in my previous. i have burmester in my mercedes. all are just slightly better than meh. one of the better sounding factory car stereos was in my 2017 Volvo XC90 with the B&Ws. i personally wouldnt spend the money on the porsche burmester. bose is ok enough and i like the idea of nicks tweeters.
I went with Bose in mine mainly because I'm listening to audio books or Podcasts in the car 85% of the time, the other 15% its alternative rock via the iPhone (granted at a fairly high bitrate file) so I felt like the additional cash for more than the Bose would have been wasted. The Bose in my wife's Macan S does the job well enough for what is asked of it, so figure the same will be true for the 2019 911 version of the Bose.. But Nick's tweeters appeal to me as well as a cost effective way to squeeze a little better sound out of the Bose, without going full custom, etc.
Racer
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I was planning on BOSE & was very disappointed in how mediocre it sounded until I spent much time making adjustments. Then, Acceptable but nothing great.I could have lived with that.
Especially on a long road trip, I want great sounding music. Yes, I listen at high volumes. When I tested the Burmester in a 911, I was unprepared for how awesome it sounded above the idling engine & loud noise from the seat ventilation on high. I listened to loud & soft music. Hard Rock, & a female vocalist, a cappella. I had assumed the female unaccompanied voice, which is sublime on my home system, would be lost with that background noise. It was not. I was blown away! My expectations were WRONG. That is why we do tests of things.
If you wish to really know, do the test.
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Everyone says this & there is much truth to it... which is why you do a audio comparison test & hear for yourself.
I was planning on BOSE & was very disappointed in how mediocre it sounded until I spent much time making adjustments. Then, Acceptable but nothing great.I could have lived with that.
Especially on a long road trip, I want great sounding music. Yes, I listen at high volumes. When I tested the Burmester in a 911, I was unprepared for how awesome it sounded above the idling engine & loud noise from the seat ventilation on high. I listened to loud & soft music. Hard Rock, & a female vocalist, a cappella. I had assumed the female unaccompanied voice, which is sublime on my home system, would be lost with that background noise. It was not. I was blown away! My expectations were WRONG. That is why we do tests of things.
If you wish to really know, do the test.
I was planning on BOSE & was very disappointed in how mediocre it sounded until I spent much time making adjustments. Then, Acceptable but nothing great.I could have lived with that.
Especially on a long road trip, I want great sounding music. Yes, I listen at high volumes. When I tested the Burmester in a 911, I was unprepared for how awesome it sounded above the idling engine & loud noise from the seat ventilation on high. I listened to loud & soft music. Hard Rock, & a female vocalist, a cappella. I had assumed the female unaccompanied voice, which is sublime on my home system, would be lost with that background noise. It was not. I was blown away! My expectations were WRONG. That is why we do tests of things.
If you wish to really know, do the test.
Three Wheelin'
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I'll put my 8500 aftermarket system with 6 speakers up against anyones 8500 Burmester with 12 speakers and a sub.
In addition to being properly tuned and having the doors insulated against vibration and deadened, the components are far superior, the amplification is more powerful and cleaner and overall its not even close.
Same price with half the speakers and infinitely better. If you think that removing the door panels is going to cause damage then dont do it. Mine have been removed about 6 times already, no problems..
In addition to being properly tuned and having the doors insulated against vibration and deadened, the components are far superior, the amplification is more powerful and cleaner and overall its not even close.
Same price with half the speakers and infinitely better. If you think that removing the door panels is going to cause damage then dont do it. Mine have been removed about 6 times already, no problems..
Race Car
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From: Northern Virginia
I'll put my 8500 aftermarket system with 6 speakers up against anyones 8500 Burmester with 12 speakers and a sub.
In addition to being properly tuned and having the doors insulated against vibration and deadened, the components are far superior, the amplification is more powerful and cleaner and overall its not even close.
Same price with half the speakers and infinitely better. If you think that removing the door panels is going to cause damage then dont do it. Mine have been removed about 6 times already, no problems..
In addition to being properly tuned and having the doors insulated against vibration and deadened, the components are far superior, the amplification is more powerful and cleaner and overall its not even close.
Same price with half the speakers and infinitely better. If you think that removing the door panels is going to cause damage then dont do it. Mine have been removed about 6 times already, no problems..
Three Wheelin'
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You get the point. Half the speakers, similar price point and infinitely better sound.
I didnt buy the Burmester so I wouldnt know the price
The Burmester is just marked up crap. At least on an Aftermarket system half of the expense is the components, the rest is labor.
If you could do the labor yourself you could get an insane system for $5300 in actual hardware..
I didnt buy the Burmester so I wouldnt know the price
The Burmester is just marked up crap. At least on an Aftermarket system half of the expense is the components, the rest is labor.
If you could do the labor yourself you could get an insane system for $5300 in actual hardware..
Race Car
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From: Northern Virginia
You get the point. Half the speakers, similar price point and infinitely better sound.
I didnt buy the Burmester so I wouldnt know the price
The Burmester is just marked up crap. At least on an Aftermarket system half of the expense is the components, the rest is labor.
If you could do the labor yourself you could get an insane system for $5300 in actual hardware..
I didnt buy the Burmester so I wouldnt know the price
The Burmester is just marked up crap. At least on an Aftermarket system half of the expense is the components, the rest is labor.
If you could do the labor yourself you could get an insane system for $5300 in actual hardware..
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Racer
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I'll put my 8500 aftermarket system with 6 speakers up against anyones 8500 Burmester with 12 speakers and a sub.
In addition to being properly tuned and having the doors insulated against vibration and deadened, the components are far superior, the amplification is more powerful and cleaner and overall its not even close.
Same price with half the speakers and infinitely better. If you think that removing the door panels is going to cause damage then dont do it. Mine have been removed about 6 times already, no problems..
In addition to being properly tuned and having the doors insulated against vibration and deadened, the components are far superior, the amplification is more powerful and cleaner and overall its not even close.
Same price with half the speakers and infinitely better. If you think that removing the door panels is going to cause damage then dont do it. Mine have been removed about 6 times already, no problems..
Since you said 6 speakers, I'm assuming R&L dashboard tweeters, mid range & Woofer in each door & nothing in the back seat area. If you upgraded from Bose vs. base, did you just disconnect the other 6 Bose speakers & just leave them in place?
I'm assuming your cost was $8,500 & professionally installed.
Last edited by TwinTurbo420; Sep 7, 2018 at 08:51 AM.
Racer
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I think that was a sarcastic remark, I think at $3500 it's overpriced for a car with a base price of $180k or even a $100k Porsche.
Three Wheelin'
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Oh, wow. Can I just have your car?
Racer
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So, you just disconnected the ("unneeded") 5 rear speakers & the Sub-W under the dashboard.
I think this is the amp you have under the passenger seat:
Gladen One 70.6
6 channel amplifier
70 Watt per channel @ 4 Ohm < 1% THD+N
http://mosconi-system.it/product/gladen-one-70-6/
If so, those specs look good!
I also like the fact that you have not lost any storage space.
How did you decide which speakers to use? were you able to do any comparisons?
I wanted to hear Focal speakers even just on display but was unable to find a single shop that had them displayed. The Focal website listed several shops in my area that supposedly had a Focal display, where you could listen to various Focal speakers. But...none had it.
I also like the sound insulation material placed in the doors.
I don't like $8,500. Especially on top of what you had already paid to option Bose. I'm betting you wish you had just ordered the base audio system & then done this aftermarket upgrade.