Dear Porsche,
06-17-2018, 03:00 PM
#16
They are making it more 'mid engine' with each generation. I know at least one big Porsche fan I used to chat with from the 997 forum who refused to consider the 991 platform b/c of the push to mid engine. If you take into consideration the air cooled cars, there are many more 911 enthusiasts who want rear engine than mid. Ferrari's front engine V12s make huge hp but they are nearly mid engine as they sit so far back on the chassis.
Jim
Jim
06-17-2018, 03:20 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
There is no question they both have their place.
What I hope to advocate for is a fully developed GT3 RS equivalent of a mid engine platform.
Also, please let me buy one Porsche
What I hope to advocate for is a fully developed GT3 RS equivalent of a mid engine platform.
Also, please let me buy one Porsche
06-17-2018, 03:54 PM
#18
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I see a place for each but agree that they should stop “neutering” the GT4 in order to allow the 911 to outperform.
We have one of each (front, rear and mid). Each performs a different role, but if I had to choose only one it would be the GT4. I have long preferred mid-engine. We don’t usually need a back seat, but when we do (or we need AWD for winter or carrying lots of stuff) we have the Panamera.
First world issues for sure!
We have one of each (front, rear and mid). Each performs a different role, but if I had to choose only one it would be the GT4. I have long preferred mid-engine. We don’t usually need a back seat, but when we do (or we need AWD for winter or carrying lots of stuff) we have the Panamera.
First world issues for sure!
06-17-2018, 04:47 PM
#20
RL Community Team
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What makes you think a mid-engine setup is necessarily superior?
The 1.2 GT2 RS has a faster ‘Ring time than the Huracan Performante.
And if you really want to get in the weeds some of the fastest lap times at many tracks are done by the Viper, a front-engined car.
One just has to know the inherent qualities and dynamics of a rear-engine setup, which then allows you to properly exploit its characteristics.
The 1.2 GT2 RS has a faster ‘Ring time than the Huracan Performante.
And if you really want to get in the weeds some of the fastest lap times at many tracks are done by the Viper, a front-engined car.
One just has to know the inherent qualities and dynamics of a rear-engine setup, which then allows you to properly exploit its characteristics.
06-17-2018, 05:17 PM
#22
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Dixit, we can debate motor placement and we should. We are all P-car enthusiasts.
Yes, the GT3 and GT3 RS are fast. Yes, the GT2RS is faster. Yes, they are amazing cars.
I would love to own anyone of them, but I haven't been "chosen" to yet and am waiting my turn in line.
What I am asking for is a full fat, fully developed, and no excuses mid-engine Porsche. What I am asking for is a GT4 that shares all the development love with the RS models that Porsche can offer.
I am not after the fastest lap times. I haven't even been to the track in more than 3 months. However, given what Porsche has to offer they can do much better for the consumer.
Lastly, where is the motor in the current RSR? Where did Porsche put the motor in the GT1, 956, 962, 917, 918, 919, and Carrera GT? Where will they put the motor in their next supercar? Where is the motor in every modern day supercar?
We can and should debate this. It pushes the platforms forward. I would argue that Porsche have answered this question with every one of their best. I am only asking that they should consider doing the same for the consumer.
Yes, the GT3 and GT3 RS are fast. Yes, the GT2RS is faster. Yes, they are amazing cars.
I would love to own anyone of them, but I haven't been "chosen" to yet and am waiting my turn in line.
What I am asking for is a full fat, fully developed, and no excuses mid-engine Porsche. What I am asking for is a GT4 that shares all the development love with the RS models that Porsche can offer.
I am not after the fastest lap times. I haven't even been to the track in more than 3 months. However, given what Porsche has to offer they can do much better for the consumer.
Lastly, where is the motor in the current RSR? Where did Porsche put the motor in the GT1, 956, 962, 917, 918, 919, and Carrera GT? Where will they put the motor in their next supercar? Where is the motor in every modern day supercar?
We can and should debate this. It pushes the platforms forward. I would argue that Porsche have answered this question with every one of their best. I am only asking that they should consider doing the same for the consumer.
06-17-2018, 05:34 PM
#24
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The problem is not that Porsche will not build such a car, is that even if they did you will not be able to buy it.
06-17-2018, 05:38 PM
#25
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
9914S, I am afraid that you are correct. I suspect it would be a GT1/918/Carrera GT like car.
That is why I am asking others if they have an interest in and am advocating for a GT4RS.
My $ is in hand for one of these Porsche. Build it and they will come...
That is why I am asking others if they have an interest in and am advocating for a GT4RS.
My $ is in hand for one of these Porsche. Build it and they will come...
06-17-2018, 06:32 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by dmk2
No, but the dynamic virtues of mid-engine placement for a regular guy like me are too obvious to ignore.
Thus, cars like the GT4 exist.
As you are aware, racing proves the technology. Racing also makes Porsche a lot of money. Another victory with mid-engine placement can give Porsche another reason to make more money.
Capisce?
Thus, cars like the GT4 exist.
As you are aware, racing proves the technology. Racing also makes Porsche a lot of money. Another victory with mid-engine placement can give Porsche another reason to make more money.
Capisce?
I have no desire to have a mid engined 911. None.
06-17-2018, 07:30 PM
#27
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
RSR is but one example. What do you make of the rest of Porsche’s great historic winners? Were their engines in the wrong place?
Call the car a Cayman and call it a day.
I truly appreciate that we can debate this. Nothing better than thinking out loud with like minded enthusiasts.
In case you missed it above, I too enjoy the 911 enough that there is one in my garage. I am just trying to make the case to uncork the Cayman platform.
06-17-2018, 09:12 PM
#28
Burning Brakes
I agree to a push for non neutered next gen GT4. However, I love 911 layout and do not think that this one should be compromised.
Couple of examples for a non mid-engined ones:
Porsche Turbo S
Ferrari F12 Berlinetta
Mercedes amg gt r
Couple of examples for a non mid-engined ones:
Porsche Turbo S
Ferrari F12 Berlinetta
Mercedes amg gt r
06-17-2018, 10:57 PM
#29
Instructor
Yes, the GT3 and GT3 RS are fast. Yes, the GT2RS is faster. Yes, they are amazing cars.
I would love to own anyone of them, but I haven't been "chosen" to yet and am waiting my turn in line.
What I am asking for is a full fat, fully developed, and no excuses mid-engine Porsche. What I am asking for is a GT4 that shares all the development love with the RS models that Porsche can offer.
I would love to own anyone of them, but I haven't been "chosen" to yet and am waiting my turn in line.
What I am asking for is a full fat, fully developed, and no excuses mid-engine Porsche. What I am asking for is a GT4 that shares all the development love with the RS models that Porsche can offer.
06-18-2018, 12:43 AM
#30
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
I am worth even less to Ferrari than to Porsche.
I am waiting fingers crossed for a GT3. No one is in a hurry to give me a 488 allocation at MSRP, and I work too hard to pay big premiums.
Now a McLaren has defiantly crossed my mind. It is possible to get an allocation for a 720S.
I am waiting fingers crossed for a GT3. No one is in a hurry to give me a 488 allocation at MSRP, and I work too hard to pay big premiums.
Now a McLaren has defiantly crossed my mind. It is possible to get an allocation for a 720S.