Dear Porsche,
07-11-2018, 09:39 AM
#166
07-11-2018, 10:05 AM
#167
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
http://www.drakancars.com/drakan-specifications/
elemental sports cars offer a lot of bang for the buck, but are less usable than they are novel. 4 wheel substitutes for motorcycles
elemental sports cars offer a lot of bang for the buck, but are less usable than they are novel. 4 wheel substitutes for motorcycles
07-21-2018, 12:22 AM
#168
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
I just had to dig this thread up from the fifth page!
I suppose there are few left to comment on the intended topic, but there is interest in a fully developed Cayman beyond this forum.
https://www.teambgb.com/default.asp
I suppose there are few left to comment on the intended topic, but there is interest in a fully developed Cayman beyond this forum.
https://www.teambgb.com/default.asp
07-21-2018, 01:39 AM
#169
Probably because there is a big difference between a specification sheet and actual driving reality.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the purported 982/718 GT4, isn't 430HP enough for you in 1370kg car? or is it the absence of rear multi-link (which realistically you only notice in a meaningful way through very high speed compressions) or is it price point. Are you willing to pay the GT3 price for a GT4?
Or do you want a race car on the road? (always hopeless).
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the purported 982/718 GT4, isn't 430HP enough for you in 1370kg car? or is it the absence of rear multi-link (which realistically you only notice in a meaningful way through very high speed compressions) or is it price point. Are you willing to pay the GT3 price for a GT4?
Or do you want a race car on the road? (always hopeless).
07-19-2019, 08:47 AM
#170
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
As predicted earlier in this thread, Corvette has now forced Porsche's hand.
Porsche, give us the mid-engine cars we deserve. No more near-motorsports developments. No more 8k RPM only. No more adherence to tradition for the sake of the 911.
Make the car we know you can. Let us buy it.
The greatest car I have been fortunate to own is the GT4 Cayman I foolishly sold.
GIVE US A GT4 RS
Porsche, give us the mid-engine cars we deserve. No more near-motorsports developments. No more 8k RPM only. No more adherence to tradition for the sake of the 911.
Make the car we know you can. Let us buy it.
The greatest car I have been fortunate to own is the GT4 Cayman I foolishly sold.
GIVE US A GT4 RS
07-19-2019, 11:09 PM
#171
Burning Brakes
As predicted earlier in this thread, Corvette has now forced Porsche's hand.
Porsche, give us the mid-engine cars we deserve. No more near-motorsports developments. No more 8k RPM only. No more adherence to tradition for the sake of the 911.
Make the car we know you can. Let us buy it.
The greatest car I have been fortunate to own is the GT4 Cayman I foolishly sold.
GIVE US A GT4 RS
Porsche, give us the mid-engine cars we deserve. No more near-motorsports developments. No more 8k RPM only. No more adherence to tradition for the sake of the 911.
Make the car we know you can. Let us buy it.
The greatest car I have been fortunate to own is the GT4 Cayman I foolishly sold.
GIVE US A GT4 RS
) in the 911 will disappear and you'll have a mid engine beast from Porsche........Phil
07-20-2019, 01:52 AM
#172
Rennlist Member
07-21-2019, 06:31 PM
#175
I don't think the car needs to be mid-engine. Have any of you reached the limits and of the rear-engined GT3/2/RS? I'd bet 95% of this forum and drivers have not (myself included).
07-21-2019, 06:47 PM
#176
Well it's probably less about the car's absolute limit than it's forgiveness. Has any 911 owner not accidentally spun at least a little due to letting up too much in a turn? With mid engine cars it's much less of an issue.
07-22-2019, 01:26 PM
#178
Rennlist Member
Last I checked GT3 RS and GT2 RS set faster lap times than many mid engine super cars. There are still some real and practical advantages to rear weight biased car. Especially in low traction situations. Porsche has done very good job of shifting weight forward in modern 911's as well - while many believe Cayman is 50/50 its not and is actually very close to new 992 from weight distribution perspective. . I can say that my 991.2 T handles better in many ways than my past Cayman and Boxsters. I also dont see Cayman GT4 problem being lack of power. Its more of an issue with compromised rear suspension, lack of rear wheel steer and overly tall gearing and lack of pdk in GT4. A GT3 with rear wheel steer for all practical purposes will out handle a GT4 in many circumstances.
New Corvette is awesome car but I dont think it spells end to iconic rear engine 911. I think Porsche has more they can bring to 911 platform including addition of hybrid systems which will further balance the car from weight distribution perspective.
....However I do think we are entering one of more interesting times in automotive engineering and product marketing with advent of electric and hybrid systems. I suspect Porsche will be releasing an EV sports car before they make 911 mid engine. ..and EV sort of turns everything upside down. EV from a handling perspective can be made to be much better than traditional petrol based powerplants. Being able to move power instantaneously to wheel that needs power is going to be next big revolution . Anyone who has watched how heavy Teslas put down instant power in autocross and track days understands old school piston engines are likely not going to be around by middle of the century. Most of us combustion engine fans are also getting long in the tooth and newer generations are not as excited with piston power. ...In fact many loath piston power now. I think Porsche probably spends less time grappling with whether to make 911 mid engine and more about how they will handle roll out of EV and hybrid sports cars.
New Corvette is awesome car but I dont think it spells end to iconic rear engine 911. I think Porsche has more they can bring to 911 platform including addition of hybrid systems which will further balance the car from weight distribution perspective.
....However I do think we are entering one of more interesting times in automotive engineering and product marketing with advent of electric and hybrid systems. I suspect Porsche will be releasing an EV sports car before they make 911 mid engine. ..and EV sort of turns everything upside down. EV from a handling perspective can be made to be much better than traditional petrol based powerplants. Being able to move power instantaneously to wheel that needs power is going to be next big revolution . Anyone who has watched how heavy Teslas put down instant power in autocross and track days understands old school piston engines are likely not going to be around by middle of the century. Most of us combustion engine fans are also getting long in the tooth and newer generations are not as excited with piston power. ...In fact many loath piston power now. I think Porsche probably spends less time grappling with whether to make 911 mid engine and more about how they will handle roll out of EV and hybrid sports cars.
07-22-2019, 01:56 PM
#179
Last I checked GT3 RS and GT2 RS set faster lap times than many mid engine super cars. There are still some real and practical advantages to rear weight biased car. Especially in low traction situations. Porsche has done very good job of shifting weight forward in modern 911's as well - while many believe Cayman is 50/50 its not and is actually very close to new 992 from weight distribution perspective. . I can say that my 991.2 T handles better in many ways than my past Cayman and Boxsters. I also dont see Cayman GT4 problem being lack of power. Its more of an issue with compromised rear suspension, lack of rear wheel steer and overly tall gearing and lack of pdk in GT4. A GT3 with rear wheel steer for all practical purposes will out handle a GT4 in many circumstances.
New Corvette is awesome car but I dont think it spells end to iconic rear engine 911. I think Porsche has more they can bring to 911 platform including addition of hybrid systems which will further balance the car from weight distribution perspective.
....However I do think we are entering one of more interesting times in automotive engineering and product marketing with advent of electric and hybrid systems. I suspect Porsche will be releasing an EV sports car before they make 911 mid engine. ..and EV sort of turns everything upside down. EV from a handling perspective can be made to be much better than traditional petrol based powerplants. Being able to move power instantaneously to wheel that needs power is going to be next big revolution . Anyone who has watched how heavy Teslas put down instant power in autocross and track days understands old school piston engines are likely not going to be around by middle of the century. Most of us combustion engine fans are also getting long in the tooth and newer generations are not as excited with piston power. ...In fact many loath piston power now. I think Porsche probably spends less time grappling with whether to make 911 mid engine and more about how they will handle roll out of EV and hybrid sports cars.
New Corvette is awesome car but I dont think it spells end to iconic rear engine 911. I think Porsche has more they can bring to 911 platform including addition of hybrid systems which will further balance the car from weight distribution perspective.
....However I do think we are entering one of more interesting times in automotive engineering and product marketing with advent of electric and hybrid systems. I suspect Porsche will be releasing an EV sports car before they make 911 mid engine. ..and EV sort of turns everything upside down. EV from a handling perspective can be made to be much better than traditional petrol based powerplants. Being able to move power instantaneously to wheel that needs power is going to be next big revolution . Anyone who has watched how heavy Teslas put down instant power in autocross and track days understands old school piston engines are likely not going to be around by middle of the century. Most of us combustion engine fans are also getting long in the tooth and newer generations are not as excited with piston power. ...In fact many loath piston power now. I think Porsche probably spends less time grappling with whether to make 911 mid engine and more about how they will handle roll out of EV and hybrid sports cars.