911 T owners club
10-31-2019, 09:08 PM
#2777
Lightest manual 992 is 3298lbs now that the 992cs specs have been released.
Not sure why the weight gain was so significant, I thought most of it was due to the PDK being ready for future electrification?
That is a big jump up from the 991.2
Our 991.2's are pretty light for modern standards.
Posted this before, but My T on truck scales that I have used for all my cars was ~ 3095lbs
I have used the scales for years and they have been accurate to manufacturer's specs.
My only options are: Bose, dimming mirrors, aluminum gas-cap.
Not sure why the weight gain was so significant, I thought most of it was due to the PDK being ready for future electrification?
That is a big jump up from the 991.2
Our 991.2's are pretty light for modern standards.
Posted this before, but My T on truck scales that I have used for all my cars was ~ 3095lbs
I have used the scales for years and they have been accurate to manufacturer's specs.
My only options are: Bose, dimming mirrors, aluminum gas-cap.
Last edited by seis-speed; 11-02-2019 at 02:22 AM.
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11-02-2019, 03:38 AM
#2778
No 992 Based Carrera T’s.
With the announcement of no manual base 992 Carrera, I believe there will be no 992 based Carrera T model. Porsche has a history of making specialty models like the 911 RS America, and 911 Club Sport in short two year intervals. The 2018-2019 Carrera T will probably follow suit. Maybe down the road there will be another Carrera T. For now, those lucky enough to be driving T’s should rejoice!
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11-02-2019, 04:22 AM
#2779
Drifting
With the announcement of no manual base 992 Carrera, I believe there will be no 992 based Carrera T model. Porsche has a history of making specialty models like the 911 RS America, and 911 Club Sport in short two year intervals. The 2018-2019 Carrera T will probably follow suit. Maybe down the road there will be another Carrera T. For now, those lucky enough to be driving T’s should rejoice!
11-02-2019, 08:02 AM
#2780
Rennlist Member
With the announcement of no manual base 992 Carrera, I believe there will be no 992 based Carrera T model. Porsche has a history of making specialty models like the 911 RS America, and 911 Club Sport in short two year intervals. The 2018-2019 Carrera T will probably follow suit. Maybe down the road there will be another Carrera T. For now, those lucky enough to be driving T’s should rejoice!
11-02-2019, 08:38 AM
#2781
everyone also speculated around the 992 T having a NASP gt4 4.0 - then porsche confirmed that engine would not make its way to any 911.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roa...et-gt4-engine/
between this ^ and no manual base carrera my money is now on NO 992 T
its like the early 90’s rs america and 80’s club sport - 2 year limited run.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...than-a-gt3/amp
Less carrera T’s than GT3
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11-02-2019, 09:03 AM
#2782
Burning Brakes
Ceepe,
I believe you're ref'ing this article?
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...carrera-t-992/
Looked over in the GT3 section, can't find a post, although the mods moved a lot of the T chatter elsewhere. The above article is compelling, as you'd think if anyone could speak authoritatively on it, August would be the guy. But there have been subsequent articles/interviews that have conflicted with this line. To include R&T themselves publishing conjecture that a 992 T is anything but a sure bet. Especially when the same man himself apparently retracted:
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/5-t...2-porsche-911/
I love my car. Love driving it and how it makes me feel. Love its comparative rarity as well. Do I want a 992 T to be produced? Now that Porsche has pretty definitively stated no NA lump outside of Motorsport autos, and aren't saying definitively a MT in anything 'below' an S? I love my T and more and more think it was the right choice. For now and for a while to come...
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I believe you're ref'ing this article?
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...carrera-t-992/
Looked over in the GT3 section, can't find a post, although the mods moved a lot of the T chatter elsewhere. The above article is compelling, as you'd think if anyone could speak authoritatively on it, August would be the guy. But there have been subsequent articles/interviews that have conflicted with this line. To include R&T themselves publishing conjecture that a 992 T is anything but a sure bet. Especially when the same man himself apparently retracted:
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/5-t...2-porsche-911/
I love my car. Love driving it and how it makes me feel. Love its comparative rarity as well. Do I want a 992 T to be produced? Now that Porsche has pretty definitively stated no NA lump outside of Motorsport autos, and aren't saying definitively a MT in anything 'below' an S? I love my T and more and more think it was the right choice. For now and for a while to come...
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Last edited by S S; 11-04-2019 at 01:06 PM. Reason: Found another article...
11-02-2019, 09:06 AM
#2783
Rennlist Member
I’ve seen that article. Its possible however...rumors coming out of car week and the news of no manual 992 base carrera make me think otherwise. Im betting no T.
everyone also speculated around the 992 T having a NASP gt4 4.0 - then porsche confirmed that engine would not make its way to any 911.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roa...et-gt4-engine/
between this ^ and no manual base carrera my money is now on NO 992 T
its like the early 90’s rs america and 80’s club sport - 2 year limited run.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...than-a-gt3/amp
Less carrera T’s than GT3
everyone also speculated around the 992 T having a NASP gt4 4.0 - then porsche confirmed that engine would not make its way to any 911.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roa...et-gt4-engine/
between this ^ and no manual base carrera my money is now on NO 992 T
its like the early 90’s rs america and 80’s club sport - 2 year limited run.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...than-a-gt3/amp
Less carrera T’s than GT3
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11-02-2019, 09:07 AM
#2784
Burning Brakes
Way less, Das14444. Way, way less. I guess that, combined with how much trickle down DNA the T has for a lot less, threatens some and brings on all the negative rhetoric we see...
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11-02-2019, 09:28 AM
#2785
No manual base car supports a T model. There is no way they are going to leave that off, it's become part of the offerings matrix. And there is no way it's going to have an NA engine. They're pretty predictable at this point, with how they run the customer base. It's moot because the only 92 to have will be the GT's.
ceepe,
with all due respect here - do you not like the carrera T? you seem to be saying the GT cars are the only cars to own...correct me if I am wrong...
I assume you own a carrera T since is the T owners thread.
why do you call carreras cars for “commoners”
”pleb” as you stated
Ceepe , Yesterday 12:42 PM
Mooty is a rennlist member who has achieved 'GT3 player par excellence' member status and frowns heavily on banks being used in GT purchases. Let alone pleb Carreras
11-02-2019, 10:12 AM
#2786
Rennlist Member
ceepe,
with all due respect here - do you not like the carrera T? you seem to be saying the GT cars are the only cars to own...correct me if I am wrong...
I assume you own a carrera T since is the T owners thread.
why do you call carreras cars for “commoners”
”pleb” as you stated
Ceepe , Yesterday 12:42 PM
Mooty is a rennlist member who has achieved 'GT3 player par excellence' member status and frowns heavily on banks being used in GT purchases. Let alone pleb Carreras
with all due respect here - do you not like the carrera T? you seem to be saying the GT cars are the only cars to own...correct me if I am wrong...
I assume you own a carrera T since is the T owners thread.
why do you call carreras cars for “commoners”
”pleb” as you stated
Ceepe , Yesterday 12:42 PM
Mooty is a rennlist member who has achieved 'GT3 player par excellence' member status and frowns heavily on banks being used in GT purchases. Let alone pleb Carreras
Last edited by Ceepe; 11-02-2019 at 05:59 PM.
11-04-2019, 12:17 PM
#2787
Burning Brakes
FIRST TRACK DAY!!!
First chance to take the T to the Track: Quattrofest at Portland International Raceway (Audi Club NW). It has been cold (but not rainy) the last couple of weeks, so I did the switch over to the all season Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS. Turns out it warmed up (60 degrees!) ...coulda kept on the summers. Oh well - it was still an amazing two days of lapping. The T is my first Porsche (now owned for 18 months) and personally first track day experience ever. (Absolutely stock car. No plans to change.) After learning the basics of the track lines... I then wanted to focus on throttle/brake, in slow - fast out - and balancing the car... I was really enjoying the rear engine push out of the turns. My biggest opportunity for learning is coming out of turns, opening up the wheel, and using the throttle and power to complete the turn.
The T performed perfectly.
First chance to take the T to the Track: Quattrofest at Portland International Raceway (Audi Club NW). It has been cold (but not rainy) the last couple of weeks, so I did the switch over to the all season Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS. Turns out it warmed up (60 degrees!) ...coulda kept on the summers. Oh well - it was still an amazing two days of lapping. The T is my first Porsche (now owned for 18 months) and personally first track day experience ever. (Absolutely stock car. No plans to change.) After learning the basics of the track lines... I then wanted to focus on throttle/brake, in slow - fast out - and balancing the car... I was really enjoying the rear engine push out of the turns. My biggest opportunity for learning is coming out of turns, opening up the wheel, and using the throttle and power to complete the turn.
The T performed perfectly.
11-04-2019, 04:45 PM
#2788
I suspect if a 992 T does come, which I doubt , it will be long after higher end variants are all released - years in the future. I bet we will see GT3, GTS, Turbo S, 60th anniversary 911 in late 2022, etc long long before a T comes out. I'd bet on a hybrid model slotting into lineup before a 992 T.
991.2 T was really an awkward offering and didn't really make sense from a marketing perspective. Install expensive lightweight GT RS glass, strip out insulation, 918 buckets etc in a base car and call it a T. It was one of weirder calls Porsche has made and I love it! ...but really its just a strange car if you think about it. I can hear it now. "Hans we had to buy a ton of that Gorilla glass to get volume discount and we haven't sold enough RS variants to use up all the light weight glass inventory. Hmmm and we have a bunch of those carbon bucket seats too? ....Well lets put those on car that wont **** off RS owners., a base model Carrera and call something obscure like a " T" after entry level 911 T in 70s.
Also dealers totally hosed up T inventory in US by ordering them with sunroofs, pdk, special interiors, rear seats etc. Only small number roll around with bare options, buckets and manual trans/LSD which creates lightest 911 Carrera. Its kind of a marketing poke in the eye to 991.2 S and GTS buyers too who couldn't option same lightweight stuff on their more expensive cars. Also funny thing with T is they become more exclusive based on how they were optioned unlike clubsport or RS variants of the past.
Just because someone says they are developing 992 T doesn't mean Porsche/VW bean counters will approve it. Im still amazed a car like 991.2 T got light of day and then went on to be sold. I may be wrong but I think the T was first base model 911 to be offered with bucket race seats, lightweight race glass, less interior , rear seat delete , more aggressive aero, etc. the few special enthusiast editions have typically been spec'd with bigger motors etc. I mean want a car to slobber over? ....make GTS with all lightweight bits and call it a Clubsport. ...then knock off $5 grand off GTS price. They would have sold double number of clubsports verses Ts.
991.2 T was really an awkward offering and didn't really make sense from a marketing perspective. Install expensive lightweight GT RS glass, strip out insulation, 918 buckets etc in a base car and call it a T. It was one of weirder calls Porsche has made and I love it! ...but really its just a strange car if you think about it. I can hear it now. "Hans we had to buy a ton of that Gorilla glass to get volume discount and we haven't sold enough RS variants to use up all the light weight glass inventory. Hmmm and we have a bunch of those carbon bucket seats too? ....Well lets put those on car that wont **** off RS owners., a base model Carrera and call something obscure like a " T" after entry level 911 T in 70s.
Also dealers totally hosed up T inventory in US by ordering them with sunroofs, pdk, special interiors, rear seats etc. Only small number roll around with bare options, buckets and manual trans/LSD which creates lightest 911 Carrera. Its kind of a marketing poke in the eye to 991.2 S and GTS buyers too who couldn't option same lightweight stuff on their more expensive cars. Also funny thing with T is they become more exclusive based on how they were optioned unlike clubsport or RS variants of the past.
Just because someone says they are developing 992 T doesn't mean Porsche/VW bean counters will approve it. Im still amazed a car like 991.2 T got light of day and then went on to be sold. I may be wrong but I think the T was first base model 911 to be offered with bucket race seats, lightweight race glass, less interior , rear seat delete , more aggressive aero, etc. the few special enthusiast editions have typically been spec'd with bigger motors etc. I mean want a car to slobber over? ....make GTS with all lightweight bits and call it a Clubsport. ...then knock off $5 grand off GTS price. They would have sold double number of clubsports verses Ts.
11-04-2019, 10:42 PM
#2789
I suspect if a 992 T does come, which I doubt , it will be long after higher end variants are all released - years in the future. I bet we will see GT3, GTS, Turbo S, 60th anniversary 911 in late 2022, etc long long before a T comes out. I'd bet on a hybrid model slotting into lineup before a 992 T.
991.2 T was really an awkward offering and didn't really make sense from a marketing perspective. Install expensive lightweight GT RS glass, strip out insulation, 918 buckets etc in a base car and call it a T. It was one of weirder calls Porsche has made and I love it! ...but really its just a strange car if you think about it. I can hear it now. "Hans we had to buy a ton of that Gorilla glass to get volume discount and we haven't sold enough RS variants to use up all the light weight glass inventory. Hmmm and we have a bunch of those carbon bucket seats too? ....Well lets put those on car that wont **** off RS owners., a base model Carrera and call something obscure like a " T" after entry level 911 T in 70s.
Also dealers totally hosed up T inventory in US by ordering them with sunroofs, pdk, special interiors, rear seats etc. Only small number roll around with bare options, buckets and manual trans/LSD which creates lightest 911 Carrera. Its kind of a marketing poke in the eye to 991.2 S and GTS buyers too who couldn't option same lightweight stuff on their more expensive cars. Also funny thing with T is they become more exclusive based on how they were optioned unlike clubsport or RS variants of the past.
Just because someone says they are developing 992 T doesn't mean Porsche/VW bean counters will approve it. Im still amazed a car like 991.2 T got light of day and then went on to be sold. I may be wrong but I think the T was first base model 911 to be offered with bucket race seats, lightweight race glass, less interior , rear seat delete , more aggressive aero, etc. the few special enthusiast editions have typically been spec'd with bigger motors etc. I mean want a car to slobber over? ....make GTS with all lightweight bits and call it a Clubsport. ...then knock off $5 grand off GTS price. They would have sold double number of clubsports verses Ts.
991.2 T was really an awkward offering and didn't really make sense from a marketing perspective. Install expensive lightweight GT RS glass, strip out insulation, 918 buckets etc in a base car and call it a T. It was one of weirder calls Porsche has made and I love it! ...but really its just a strange car if you think about it. I can hear it now. "Hans we had to buy a ton of that Gorilla glass to get volume discount and we haven't sold enough RS variants to use up all the light weight glass inventory. Hmmm and we have a bunch of those carbon bucket seats too? ....Well lets put those on car that wont **** off RS owners., a base model Carrera and call something obscure like a " T" after entry level 911 T in 70s.
Also dealers totally hosed up T inventory in US by ordering them with sunroofs, pdk, special interiors, rear seats etc. Only small number roll around with bare options, buckets and manual trans/LSD which creates lightest 911 Carrera. Its kind of a marketing poke in the eye to 991.2 S and GTS buyers too who couldn't option same lightweight stuff on their more expensive cars. Also funny thing with T is they become more exclusive based on how they were optioned unlike clubsport or RS variants of the past.
Just because someone says they are developing 992 T doesn't mean Porsche/VW bean counters will approve it. Im still amazed a car like 991.2 T got light of day and then went on to be sold. I may be wrong but I think the T was first base model 911 to be offered with bucket race seats, lightweight race glass, less interior , rear seat delete , more aggressive aero, etc. the few special enthusiast editions have typically been spec'd with bigger motors etc. I mean want a car to slobber over? ....make GTS with all lightweight bits and call it a Clubsport. ...then knock off $5 grand off GTS price. They would have sold double number of clubsports verses Ts.
all great points.
if they made the GTS a lightweight would it have been a little too close to performance levels of the GT3?
11-04-2019, 11:32 PM
#2790
