PJ Cayenne

Yes, amazing day. Great group of people too.

Penn4S

First of all it’s not a debate. It’s model shaming. If your issues are with Porsche and their direction then write them a letter or start a campaign. Slamming another’s persons choice of car as a way to make a statement to Porsche is childish.
After 13 Pcars myself I have seen the good and the bad the brand has had to offer and still stayed and bought the models that suited me best. I did this while not having to slam others for their model choices.
Debate, conversation about the the cars, I welcome it but this ride into grade school ranting and bullying is bull—-t.

randr

Yep

pdutta2000

Please post where I’m slamming/insulting people. I’ve only got 100 posts total so it shouldn’t be hard to find. I’ll wait.

Second this is the internet. RL is not some magical place. I mentioned that the insults are pointless but impossible to avoid. Again it’s that whole internet thing. If this is new to you I have suggestions of scary places to avoid.

Third Companies do in fact read/follow these types of boards. It’s the reason they have Facebook accounts and twitter feeds, so posting to the internet is way more effective than writing a letter. This isn’t the 1980s. How many times have you heard about someone only getting help once “social media” gets involved? A message board is the definition of “Social Media”.

Finally, the whole point of this thread is to have a place where that childishness can happen without destroying other threads. It’s also clearly in good fun. It’s making a joke of the stupidity that happened in other threads. It’s brothers that went a little too far saying their Mea Cuplas.

.2PDK

This.

It astounds me how people in this day and age can't understand that it's virtually impossible to always temper human nature and be civil (to their personal standards no less) on a public forum.

The truly sad part is that they don't realize how close this place is to being "magical" when compared to the norm.

I guess everyone has different thresholds...

Penn4S

Trust me nothing on here scares me. I’m not frightened that easily by bad behavior. It’s a shame it has to happen. Have your fun and you’re I’ll just avoid the playground when I don’t like the people playing there.

K-A

Bemo, your GTS is a stunner. And instant classic. Hold onto it, or give it to me. Your choice.

This.

Many of us (me, at least) hope that with data showing tepid market reaction, enough data showing N/A markups, and a chorus of people who don’t “approve of” the new FI engine sounds (which is not only on Porsche boards btw, every .1 vs .2 YouTube video is filled with comment sections vastly stating strong auditory preferences for the former and relative upset with the latter, “romanticizing” N/A qualities, etc.), Porsche maybe, just maybe might give us another N/A variation. Of course, it’d be akin to the R, and get bid up to catastrophic amounts, but one can dream.

I know it sounds weird, but when we “criticize” certain elements of the .2, it isn’t about you guys (owners). It’s not directed *at* you. It’s just being put out there by an empassioned following who longs for a replacement automotive option that fulfills their emotive hunger. Just like much else that makes the Internet go round and round.

stout

^ Actually, I think you were spot on, and said it well.

If the above isn't trolling, however poorly disguised or couched, I don't know what is. And it's the same 4-5 people, over and over and over again. They waste bandwidth, and apparently can't recognize what they're (still) doing…

Yes, this is the internet. We all know that. Some of us, like RL, have been here a lot longer than the issues some of us are pointing out. RL will be here well after the issues are solved, and it will still be here if some of us choose to disassociate.

And I guess that's just it. Whether we're users or paying members, we're all guests here. If posts are getting flagged because some of your fellow community members feel they're inappropriate, purposely inflammatory, and/or a load of poppycock, that makes more work for our hosts and chases members away. If threads are getting locked and people are getting timeouts from mods, that should also say something.

Poppycock, broad statements, and vivid example to support your never-ending criticism of 911s that a number of folks here enjoy.

I like the 991.1, and tested it in every form.

I love the 991.2 in every form I've tried so far, and my increased enjoyment has to do with more than how the car sounds—which isn't at all bad, in my opinion.

You've got your opinion, and that's okay! But please stop ramming it down our throats. It's tiresome.

I think we're big enough to recognize that. It's the tone, the videos, the belittlements, etc. You don't put it out there as "I prefer my car for this reason." You put it out there as "your car sounds like s--- and makes me throw up a little bit whenever I hear it."

I'll be curious to see what the mods do here.

PJ Cayenne

Well said Gents...Penn4S/Stout- spot on. Sticky didn't help things with his " .2 tune, tune, tune- your .1 is slow and you can't do a thing with it".
No real Porsche person should ever put down another owner's car.
Ever. Personally, there is no Porsche I wouldn't own, just a matter of it being worth the money to me.

K-A

All due respect, while some of that could be considered “trolling” on a thread as we understand is meant to consolidate playground banter, it seems like part of your problem is with strong opinions or views you don’t see eye to eye with. Shutting up empassioned/colorful verbiage doesn’t really serve a forum justice.

Why would you quote the “water cooled vs air cooled” or “911’s always beat cars with gobs of torque” comments? What’s wrong with those? Those are factual statements and if you find them inflammatory, then it appears discussing the two cars against each other is off limits. Which just isn’t realistic, considering their scope of shift.

Most came into this thread assuming this is where they can be tongue in cheek and let it fly. And it seems pretty civil to me, no personal insults, etc.

Bemo

Stout - I’m sorry that this thread upsets you. It was an attempt at consolidating general sentiments and thoughts that tend to derail other dedicated topics. I’d like to think of it as the communal table at the local library where the young at heart hang out and socialize. Much better than running through the isles and knocking books off the neatly organized shelves, which inevitably earns the ire of the fastidious Librarians, which is the part you tend to play extremely well.
Keep tongue lashing us all you want as long it’s all contained in this thread.
As for the wife comment, we are enjoying a great relationship, filled with love, laughter and healthy doses of humor. Lighten up a little.

K-A - I’m keeping the GTS for now and scheming on how to optimize the finances and add another one to the stable. It will be used and likely a .1 but the wife wants a turbo...let’s see who wins this one. I’d say there are no losers

Needsdecaf

Pete, considering the sheer amount of 911’s you’ve driven, I’m curious for you to expand on this.

While I love my 991.1, I keep feeling like something is missing, getting in the way of me truly enjoying the car. Having driven the .1 back to back with the .2, I found the .2 to be more subdued and tied down. Which I would not think is what I’m missing....the opposite actually. But maybe not?

I know, blasphemy. Should I hand over my keys?

.2PDK

Which is exactly why the mods haven't done anything here.

stout

Wrong. Also sounds like projection to me. I've never minded vigorous, intelligent debate, and my history on RL backs that up. Intelligent debate is a great way to learn things, and have fun.

It's a matter of tone and pure volume. Impassioned and colorful doesn't have to be abrasive.

Okay, let's look at those as good examples—because they're anything but factual statements.

First part is a blatantly false statement. Porsche also became legendary based on the 356-based engines in pushrod and four-cam form, flat eights and flat twelves in 908s and 917s, turbo and twin-turbo sixes in 935s/936s/956s/962s/GT1s, and the list goes on and on.

Second part is also blatantly false. There are plenty of tests where 911s have lost against other cars for any number of reasons that may or may not be due to the flat six that happened to be on duty in that model.

Opinion stated as fact.

I think the reality is we'd probably enjoy a beer or a coffee together. Maybe someday we'll get that chance. The current problem on the 991 forum is probably a matter of timing and tone-deafness on the part of a handful of people.

stout

All good, Bemo. I understand the original intent of this thread, but let's just say the cuts are still fresh.

Ah, and good to hear your marriage is awesome. I read that quip above and felt sorry for your wife. From this, it sounds like all is better than good.