Consensus on stock exhaust and, who is considering getting an AM system?
#121
I went crazy on the GT3 with OE and AM parts, along with a very low suspension setup so I was hoping to "just drive" this one. Lowering looks nice but it removes a lot of the every day fun factor when your sphincter tightens with every bump in the road, and still I went through 3 Cup front lips due to road and curb rash...
That said, I do like the 20" Fuchs that come on the 50th and maybe a bit more engine sound..... and.... and..... oh ya, and maybe a new plate frame! LOL
That said, I do like the 20" Fuchs that come on the 50th and maybe a bit more engine sound..... and.... and..... oh ya, and maybe a new plate frame! LOL
Sound? ... 2200km on I'm reaching my own consensus that a bit more is in order....more on that one very soon.
#122
New to this thread. I just picked up my new 991 TT and have been considering AM exhaust.
After reading all the posts I will strongly consider the EP. Thanks for all the good info! I was really considering the Fabspeed exhaust for the sound and the extra HP, not that I need it. Did you give any consideration to Fabspeed? Why did you go with the EP over Fabseed?
Thanks for any comments.
After reading all the posts I will strongly consider the EP. Thanks for all the good info! I was really considering the Fabspeed exhaust for the sound and the extra HP, not that I need it. Did you give any consideration to Fabspeed? Why did you go with the EP over Fabseed?
Thanks for any comments.
#123
Just a placed an order with David @ Fabspeed. Complete kit, wanted the headers too. Not just the exhaust. My ex 991S worked great with FB, so I am ordering it again for my turbo. I am a satisfied customer, stick to what works for me.
#124
New to this thread. I just picked up my new 991 TT and have been considering AM exhaust.
After reading all the posts I will strongly consider the EP. Thanks for all the good info! I was really considering the Fabspeed exhaust for the sound and the extra HP, not that I need it. Did you give any consideration to Fabspeed? Why did you go with the EP over Fabseed?
Thanks for any comments.
After reading all the posts I will strongly consider the EP. Thanks for all the good info! I was really considering the Fabspeed exhaust for the sound and the extra HP, not that I need it. Did you give any consideration to Fabspeed? Why did you go with the EP over Fabseed?
Thanks for any comments.
I bought EP for the same reason I bought Porsche over Nissan, Corvette, Viper etc. I feel it is the best system on the market but that is just my opinion. My last Europipe experience on my 997tt was flawless.
I have never heard of an EP cat throwing a CEL or failing...ever! FabSpeed to me (and I've heard the same from others) is just lots of chrome and badges, tons of fancy claims and trumped up marketing BS, has lots of disappointed users, many with CEL problems and/or failing cats and the likes, and to be honest I truly can't see any special sauce going on anywhere beyond it making more noise. After doing my due diligence with EP I am getting massive Dia 100 cel Emitec cup car race cats which are heat shielded in the same way the OEM ones (instead of un-shielded lesser flowing 200 cel cats) are and this is a very important feature to me. Porsche engineered the shielding on the catalytic converters for specific reasons and EP has incorporated these same engineering principles into their own design and manufacturing processes. Any AM manufacturer saying this cat shielding is not required on this car is telling you BS and should be asked what is their qualification to say that? Are Porsche engineers stupid and they know better? LOL. My investigations have found that EP does not use any imported Chinese/Taiwanes generic mufflers and restrictive X flow collectors. They build everything in house to completion including the cats which they shield themselves using only the bare bones Emmitec core. These are my reasons. Hope it helps
Last edited by speed21; 08-01-2014 at 11:49 PM. Reason: added factual info on cats, removed text which could be interpreted as flagwaving.
#125
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I guess in short I bought a Europipe for the exact same reasons I bought a Porsche turbo S over a Corvette or Viper or some car like that... For me, a Europipe system is a proven given quantity, a masterpiece in every conceivable way...the pinnacle so far as im concerned. To me a FS is just another shiny chrome AM system on todays market....no particular special sauce going on anywhere that I can see outside of making more noise. Me, well I look for perfection on a car like this and I know I have the best chance possible with an EP. I know a lot of guys get sold on the marketing BS and assurances and many buy on price these days but the crazy thing is even when you look at just how close the pricing actually is only again serves to confirm just how cheap the EP really is. With EP there is no middle men, no imported generic mufflers under the guise of made in USA or wherever. What you buy is what you get....a full system developed in Belgium by the same two Porsche fanatics that own the company, made with their own blood sweat and tears, and it shows. No, for me there is no substitute. Just look at an EP, use one then you will know exactly what I mean as will the guy that is fitting it. For me now it's EP or nothing. Yes I've taken the slightly cheaper route before, listened to lovely alluring assurances and the odd user hype....been there done that thank-you very much. I'm just so over it along with the usual compromises you end up with. I could go on about the sheer size, performance and design of EP's 100 cel cats, how the system represents an absolute masterpiece in the flesh like none other I've ever seen in this industry, no clamps, problematic joins, a precision fit, and better still it actually looks like it belongs on this car. Even a dealer will marvel at it. Can't and don't want to answer for the others in terms of what they may or may not deliver....each to their own poison as they say in the trade. I'm over these kinds of learning curves. Those that think an EP is not worth it or there is equal or better out there then please by all means go for it!
#126
New to this thread. I just picked up my new 991 TT and have been considering AM exhaust. After reading all the posts I will strongly consider the EP. Thanks for all the good info! I was really considering the Fabspeed exhaust for the sound and the extra HP, not that I need it. Did you give any consideration to Fabspeed? Why did you go with the EP over Fabseed? Thanks for any comments.
#127
Lol, i wish hehe. But something tells me they don't need my praise to sell their systems. Fact is I had to wait weeks just to have mine built so no special favors for me, least of all pricing. That said Im happy to wait and pay full price for this thing. To be honest my last post had certain inspiration from opening my recently acquired consignment from EP now awaiting install which all going to plan will be sometime next week.. so will keep you all posted. Probably start a new thread to keep it separate from here. Anyway below is a pic I have of the new system in the box. After opening it, it again reminded me just how much passion these guys put into their product. It's hard to miss, especially in the flesh. Pictures don't tell the full story. Can't wait to see how this one delivers but let's just see...my jury is still out at the moment but more on that one later.. Having an engineering background and a lifetime involvement in the automotive industry as a supplier of OEM and AM automotive components when I sight something of this caliber I automatically can't help but to get enthusiastic. This thing is pure craftsmanship and from what I've had the opportunity of seeing in my lengthy and diverse career this one sits on top of the pile. The welding and general engineering of this product is simply astonishing.
I take it you have never sampled one on a Porsche at this stage? If not you don't know what you are missing out on. Just take a peek at this thing..
I take it you have never sampled one on a Porsche at this stage? If not you don't know what you are missing out on. Just take a peek at this thing..
#128
In so far as FS specifically, some users love it and I'm happy for both them and FS in being able to achieve a level of customer satisfaction. In so far as my own observations with the FS I've made that clear previously.....no special sauce from what I can see now, or from previously first hand sighting the product on other users cars. I will say it certainly appears to be way way overpriced in comparison to the EP from my own observations, that is clear. Other thing is, I will say as a buyer I am not at all comfortable with is this whole generic Jim's Technologies Taiwanese muffler charade going on between "Shower, -aka AP Vivid" and FS.... where components and/or systems are allegedly being cobbled together outside of the USA and sold under the guise of made in USA. So if this is correct these two are basically swimming in the same cesspool selling the same thing/mufflers etc just with a different name....probably different price too, so it would certainly pay to shop if that's the system someone wants to settle on. I really think there needs to be a hell of a lot more transparency for the buyers in so far as what they are actually getting and where the system and all of its components actually originated from, who really did the design and testing (that is if there was any) and/or where the end product was really made. I see there has been a lot said about these shenanigans over on the F chat forums as well which is very disappointing to read. It really brings the need for a code of ethics imho. The BS has definitely got way out of hand for the genuine operators to fairly compete in and the end user becomes the ultimate victim. Sad really.
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#129
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Nice piece of workmanship...
almost a shame to bury it under the backside of your car!
I've had lots of experiences with AM sound producers on various Porsches.... Some great, some good, some less than good.
Look forward to "hearing" your reports!
almost a shame to bury it under the backside of your car!
I've had lots of experiences with AM sound producers on various Porsches.... Some great, some good, some less than good.
Look forward to "hearing" your reports!
#133
Anyone thinking about cat less then just read this? Check out post #1 and #11. Wow! Now tell me that doesn't bode well for the catless AM boys. Can't understand why anyone would want to run catless on a car like this....I mean why would you bother?
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...ss-system.html
Consensus here appears to be heading towards keeping cats on this car.....so better make sure they are HJS/Emitec with no restrictive pins....
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http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...ss-system.html
Consensus here appears to be heading towards keeping cats on this car.....so better make sure they are HJS/Emitec with no restrictive pins....
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#134
Lol. So Chris i'm guessing that's what you did with the Tubi two can eh? Thanks for the advice but i'm not into kinky **** like that.. Btw have you seen the latest on Fabspeeds Tubi cat expose'?
Impressive.
The whole package is impressive. No stone left unturned. Just how you would expect how it should be for a car like this.
Impressive.
The whole package is impressive. No stone left unturned. Just how you would expect how it should be for a car like this.