2017 LeMans
06-19-2017, 01:35 PM
#136
Amazing access. Guy is one reach around from a GT2RS allocation!! Hi guys!
06-19-2017, 01:44 PM
#137
Porsche has the largest commitment to endurance racing of any manufacturer! How can you criticize their dedication to this form of motorsport?
Aston Martin - GT Only; too cheap to pay IMSA fees so race in WEC only
Audi - Customer GT racing only
BMW - Returning to WEC next year with all new car
Ferrari - GT only
Ford - 4 GT cars across IMSA and WEC, but no prototype effort
GM - IMSA only, except for the Corvettes at Le Mans
Lambo - Customer GT racing only
McLaren - No presence in elite sports car or endurance racing
Mercedes - Customer GT racing only; will never race at Le Mans again after 1955 and 1999 events
Nissan - Pulled out after DISASTROUS 2015 performance
Toyota - LMP1 Only
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Aston Martin - GT Only; too cheap to pay IMSA fees so race in WEC only
Audi - Customer GT racing only
BMW - Returning to WEC next year with all new car
Ferrari - GT only
Ford - 4 GT cars across IMSA and WEC, but no prototype effort
GM - IMSA only, except for the Corvettes at Le Mans
Lambo - Customer GT racing only
McLaren - No presence in elite sports car or endurance racing
Mercedes - Customer GT racing only; will never race at Le Mans again after 1955 and 1999 events
Nissan - Pulled out after DISASTROUS 2015 performance
Toyota - LMP1 Only
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06-19-2017, 01:45 PM
#138
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For whatever reason Porsche is interested in the "overall" win. You should have seen how giddy those guys were the last couple of hours when they pretty much knew that if the car did not fail that the win was theirs for the taking.
I did not hear much from them on the RSR, other than "it is a new car and it is work in progress."
I do like both classes, but very much identify within whatever looks like my cars. Seeing the two seconds at Daytona and Sebring and now seeing the RSR pit right under my nose to lose third, with about 15 remaining, is pure heartbreak.
I believe the cars are run by separate groups inside Porsche, but I have to think that LMP1 is sucking the budget clean.
BTW I suggest we all look at the scoring sheets. Aston Martin had a significant BOP weight reduction. With that advantage they were able to lay down the fastest lap and of course, win.
While it is true that the fast lap of all GT PRO cars was grouped pretty much tight around 3:51.5 per lap, Aston was the only one to dip under 3:51. BOP is a killer if you don't get the right deal.
Is this some sort of conspiracy like the ones claimed at NASCAR?
Every class was won by a different manufacturer....just saying. Ahemmm....
I did not hear much from them on the RSR, other than "it is a new car and it is work in progress."
I do like both classes, but very much identify within whatever looks like my cars. Seeing the two seconds at Daytona and Sebring and now seeing the RSR pit right under my nose to lose third, with about 15 remaining, is pure heartbreak.
I believe the cars are run by separate groups inside Porsche, but I have to think that LMP1 is sucking the budget clean.
BTW I suggest we all look at the scoring sheets. Aston Martin had a significant BOP weight reduction. With that advantage they were able to lay down the fastest lap and of course, win.
While it is true that the fast lap of all GT PRO cars was grouped pretty much tight around 3:51.5 per lap, Aston was the only one to dip under 3:51. BOP is a killer if you don't get the right deal.
Is this some sort of conspiracy like the ones claimed at NASCAR?
Every class was won by a different manufacturer....just saying. Ahemmm....
Frank-Steffen Walliser, who is the former 918 Project Head and now current Vice President Motorsport & GT Cars, is responsible for GTE and GTLM (IMSA) efforts (among other things). He is the gentleman in member Whoopsy's avatar, Preuninger's boss, and the ultimate "cleaning lady."
Fritz Enzinger (Vice President LMP1) and Andreas Seidl (Director Race Operations LMP1) run the LMP1 effort.
06-19-2017, 01:47 PM
#139
Drifting
Despite the considerable financial outlay, they derive benefits from the investment through R&D, marketing/exposure, etc.
Endurance racing is as much at the core of the brand's identity as F1 is for Ferrari.
06-19-2017, 01:49 PM
#140
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One thing I didn't understand is why the #91 RSR went to the pits with 10 min left in the race? He changed tires and refueled,thus losing the podium. Who does that,seriously?! 10 min left!!!! You couldn't have planned it better?! Mind blowing!
06-19-2017, 01:51 PM
#141
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I caught a little of the DTM (German Touring Car) race from Hungaroring this weekend and the Audis dominated over Mercedes (C63) and BMW (M4). It's a little disingenuous though, since the RS5 DTM car shares almost nothing in common with the road car (V6 Turbo vs. NA V8 in DTM, Quattro vs. RWD in DTM, etc.)
06-19-2017, 02:14 PM
#142
Drifting
A few possibilities:
They knew it would be tight and hoped for more slow zones or a safety car; the same emphasis on longer green flag running that helped the #2 LMP1 run through the field would have hurt the 91 RSR's fuel window
Maybe he cut a tire and needed to replace? Neel Jani had a slow puncture last year and they put new tires on and ended up winning the race after Toyota faltered!
Or maybe - but probably rather unlikely - you know more about success at Le Mans than Olaf Manthey's concern? Send him your resume so you can (1) help them improve their WEC operations and (2) teach him how to ********** into a sock while looking at pictures of H-patterns and clutch pedals.
I caught a little of the DTM (German Touring Car) race from Hungaroring this weekend and the Audis dominated over Mercedes (C63) and BMW (M4). It's a little disingenuous though, since the RS5 DTM car shares almost nothing in common with the road car (V6 Turbo vs. NA V8 in DTM, Quattro vs. RWD in DTM, etc.)
06-19-2017, 02:22 PM
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The Porsche GTE Pro car was the RSR. (With the mid engine)
What was the porsche GTE AM car? Was it the previous generation RSR? Mezger or DFI?
What was the porsche GTE AM car? Was it the previous generation RSR? Mezger or DFI?
06-19-2017, 02:24 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by Guest89
Or maybe - but probably rather unlikely - you know more about success at Le Mans than Olaf Manthey's concern? Send him your resume so you can (1) help them improve their WEC operations and (2) teach him how to ********** into a sock while looking at pictures of H-patterns and clutch pedals.
06-19-2017, 02:26 PM
#145
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GTE AM = 1+ Year Old Privateer Supported Car
GTE AM RSR was 2015 or 2016 spec RSR running the Mezger engine; by memory there were examples of both specs judging on wing heights (but I cannot recall specifics)
06-19-2017, 02:28 PM
#146
Drifting
I'm one of the few people providing facts (of value, I hope!) to people who do not follow or understand sports car / endurance racing.
06-19-2017, 02:37 PM
#147
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Originally Posted by GrantG:
I caught a little of the DTM (German Touring Car) race from Hungaroring this weekend and the Audis dominated over Mercedes (C63) and BMW (M4). It's a little disingenuous though, since the RS5 DTM car shares almost nothing in common with the road car (V6 Turbo vs. NA V8 in DTM, Quattro vs. RWD in DTM, etc.)
Not sports car or endurance racing at all...
06-19-2017, 02:42 PM
#148
Porsche earns higher profits per unit than any of the names I listed.
Despite the considerable financial outlay, they derive benefits from the investment through R&D, marketing/exposure, etc.
Endurance racing is as much at the core of the brand's identity as F1 is for Ferrari.
Despite the considerable financial outlay, they derive benefits from the investment through R&D, marketing/exposure, etc.
Endurance racing is as much at the core of the brand's identity as F1 is for Ferrari.
06-19-2017, 02:48 PM
#149
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Originally Posted by Guest89
Rather rich from the biggest troll on Rennlist!
Originally Posted by Guest89
I'm one of the few people providing facts (of value, I hope!) to people who do not follow or understand sports car / endurance racing.
How about just state your opinion regarding a post and skip the BS part. Just PM me if you'd like to discuss further your issues with me.
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06-19-2017, 03:00 PM
#150
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Except Formula 1 attracts a rapid fan following worldwide, while prototype endurance racing is largely ignored by the masses. If there was something big to be gained by racing the LMP cars, you would think that there would be more manufacturers doing it. While I love watching those cars races, it does nothing for me from a marketing perspective in building any connection to the brand. It doesn't look like any Porsche I can buy, or any Porsche at all for that matter, and the racing spectacle doesn't have the attraction of F1. Seems like a big waste to me, other than maybe some R&D time, though I expect they could get that done a hell of a lot cheaper just running experimental cars around closed tracks. Seems like a lot of money to spend to earn the right to run some ads showing a car that's basically undistinguishable from the Toyota to the untrained eye, save for some stickers saying Porsche.