Notices
991 GT3, GT3RS, GT2RS and 911R 2012-2019
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

I want to stay with the P car, but...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-11-2017, 08:59 PM
  #121  
CYKBC
Racer
 
CYKBC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 294
Received 17 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

There is no free lunch.

For all the hoops many are going through to get an allocation of the legit engined/trannied 991.2 GT3, you get back a very low maintenance, familiar ownership experience with great value retention. 911s age like fine wine.

McLarens offer transcendent performance/tech as compared to its surrogates w/ spaceship looks, but fall well short on reliability, service network, and value retention. These British units age like spilled milk. The tech gadget of the sports car world. Nobody wants last year's model. There is no such thing as a McLaren 997.2 RS here, now or ever. It's just not what they're about.

Pick your poison.
Old 04-11-2017, 10:00 PM
  #122  
Serge944
Rennlist Member
 
Serge944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: California
Posts: 8,022
Likes: 0
Received 56 Likes on 30 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by CYKBC
There is no free lunch.

For all the hoops many are going through to get an allocation of the legit engined/trannied 991.2 GT3, you get back a very low maintenance, familiar ownership experience with great value retention. 911s age like fine wine.

McLarens offer transcendent performance/tech as compared to its surrogates w/ spaceship looks, but fall well short on reliability, service network, and value retention. These British units age like spilled milk. The tech gadget of the sports car world. Nobody wants last year's model. There is no such thing as a McLaren 997.2 RS here, now or ever. It's just not what they're about.

Pick your poison.
I love these posts about Porsche reliability, especially in the context of a GT3 forum, where some owners are on their 3rd engine. Both my 12C and 650S have never missed a beat and have proven extremely reliable.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to get a '18 GT3, because the temptation of a manual transmission is strong, but McLaren is so ahead of Porsche, they're not in the same zip code. There has been a tectonic shift in the perception of the McLaren brand on this forum lately, mostly causes by a few good magazine reviews, leading to Porsche kool-aid drinking diehards actually giving the brand a chance, and driving the cars before coming to a strong opinion.

Regarding value retention, can't argue with you. McLaren has to put out a new model every year to stay alive. Remember, it's just barely over a 5 year old company and already producing, in my opinion, the best cars in the world. But this doesn't mean you need to get the "new one." I'll be enjoying my 650S for a while longer.
Old 04-11-2017, 11:06 PM
  #123  
STG
Race Director
 
STG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: FL
Posts: 13,800
Likes: 0
Received 200 Likes on 142 Posts
Default

Is this not a beautifully designed machine?

Name:  photo33.jpg
Views: 537
Size:  307.0 KBName:  photo211.jpg
Views: 509
Size:  350.5 KBName:  photo855.jpg
Views: 493
Size:  399.0 KBName:  photo427.jpg
Views: 495
Size:  245.6 KB

Name:  photo370.jpg
Views: 542
Size:  363.0 KBName:  photo741.jpg
Views: 551
Size:  389.5 KB
Old 04-11-2017, 11:24 PM
  #124  
bronson7
Nordschleife Master
 
bronson7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

If I could, I'd own one in a heart beat.
Old 04-11-2017, 11:26 PM
  #125  
robmypro
Race Director
 
robmypro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Colorado
Posts: 10,235
Received 1,784 Likes on 1,027 Posts
Default

Those pictures don't even begin to do the car justice. In the flesh, wow.
Old 04-11-2017, 11:30 PM
  #126  
STG
Race Director
 
STG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: FL
Posts: 13,800
Likes: 0
Received 200 Likes on 142 Posts
Default

Reminds me of .1 to .2 GT3

458 and 488

From smooth and clean lines, to crisp and boxy.

Name:  photo263.jpg
Views: 421
Size:  307.0 KBName:  photo967.jpg
Views: 428
Size:  533.4 KB
Old 04-11-2017, 11:32 PM
  #127  
2006m5
Banned
 
2006m5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 656
Received 31 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by sportscentury
I doubt it for two reasons. First, this is what happens at the beginning of every cycle. The dealers are just trying to exploit enthusiast excitement to bleed every last dollar. Second, the dealers typically know next to nothing about what PAG is going to do regarding manufacturing and production.
True and true.
Old 04-11-2017, 11:36 PM
  #128  
bronson7
Nordschleife Master
 
bronson7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

[QUOTE=STG;14104546]Reminds me of .1 to .2 GT3

458 and 488

From smooth and clean lines, to crisp and boxy.


I agree, 458 over the 488, hands down.
Old 04-11-2017, 11:38 PM
  #129  
STG
Race Director
 
STG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: FL
Posts: 13,800
Likes: 0
Received 200 Likes on 142 Posts
Default

Just can't get over the .1

Swoops down smoothly to the ground with nice curves. Like a perfect wave.

The .2 more of a jagged mountain cliff.


Name:  photo353.jpg
Views: 392
Size:  370.4 KBName:  photo72.jpg
Views: 399
Size:  294.2 KB
Old 04-12-2017, 12:54 AM
  #130  
bigskyGT3
Burning Brakes
 
bigskyGT3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: MT
Posts: 811
Received 32 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

I like the nose of the .1 better.
Old 04-12-2017, 01:09 AM
  #131  
FORENN
Banned
 
FORENN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 4,651
Received 667 Likes on 328 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by STG
Just can't get over the .1

Swoops down smoothly to the ground with nice curves. Like a perfect wave.

The .2 more of a jagged mountain cliff.
STG, as perhaps the most prolific poster here on the GT3 forum, and obviously having a tremendous passion for the GT3, do you anticipate ever owning either of these?
Old 04-12-2017, 01:15 AM
  #132  
Archimedes
Race Director
 
Archimedes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 13,162
Received 3,876 Likes on 1,903 Posts
Default

My son prefers the 458, but I'd take a 488 over a 458 all day. Not just for looks, performance as well.

GT3 .1 and .2 don't look materially different to me. Like both noses. The .1 a little more unique, the .2 a little more modern. Don't really prefer either look.
Old 04-12-2017, 01:16 AM
  #133  
Archimedes
Race Director
 
Archimedes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 13,162
Received 3,876 Likes on 1,903 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by STG
Just can't get over the .1

Swoops down smoothly to the ground with nice curves. Like a perfect wave.

The .2 more of a jagged mountain cliff.
You're also comparing pictures of an RS to a regular GT3. Different width, hood, other bits. Shots are also at different angles, with the .1 RS shot a more flattering angle.
Old 04-12-2017, 01:33 AM
  #134  
BryanCO
Drifting
 
BryanCO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 2,953
Received 211 Likes on 151 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by sportscentury
STG, as perhaps the most prolific poster here on the GT3 forum, and obviously having a tremendous passion for the GT3, do you anticipate ever owning either of these?
Old 04-12-2017, 03:15 AM
  #135  
chaosoul
Pro
 
chaosoul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Driver seat
Posts: 571
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by STG


lol..... if you're going to post beauty, can you post actually good pictures?


First of all these look like super low quality of iphone screen shots from cars.com or something. Second, pictures are all over the place, like a silver 458 with front trunk not closed, and interior of a cheaply equipped 458 with no LWBs and carbon racing steering wheel with LEDs.




Quick Reply: I want to stay with the P car, but...



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:35 AM.