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Old 03-30-2017, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by randr
Yes but the 718S outhandles the 991.1 C and C2S - its even quicker and everyone except "the true enthusiasts" understands this Why would anyone go and buy an outdated vehicle - there is little point. Go and drive a 718S, in comparison the 991.1 C or C2S feels sloppy and at the limit, well there is no comparison at all.

The 991.2 GT3RS will out perform the .1RS and .2GT3 - thats how it works with Porsche.
The 718 has been a flop. The buyers are speaking. After all, it's about sales $$$'s correct? The true measure of success.

Looks like 991.1 C2S is outselling it alone just in pre-owned transactions. 95% of people out there would choose the 991.1 over a 718 4 banger.

991.1 outdated? If that's the case with the Carrera's must be the case with the .1 GT3 and RS??

Anyway, back to the .2 RS. Didn't mean I get off topic too much.

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Old 03-30-2017, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RealityGT
From casual conversation with my dealer.. It was explained that the GT2RS will be difficult to obtain for those other than the VIP's..
Had similar - to be honest for GT2 money has a lot of competition.

Too many posts here to buy an LE - they end up being feather dusted how enjoyable can that be for Porsche to see their greatest cars sit.

LE's are great for special runs like the 918 but this VIP is a knee jerk (to fill 918 allocations) debacle that needs to be fixed enough of the parts bin few changes LE's.

Porsche should crank out as many as possible this top tier bs by guys who flip or sit on their cars or even worse dealers ADM is IMO poor business all around. Cars and finances don't mix well - again IMHO it's bs for a brand like Porsche these cars are for drivers!
Old 03-30-2017, 12:50 PM
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Here's a little discussion of HP and Torque for any geeks like me :

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/add...epower-torque/
Old 03-30-2017, 01:22 PM
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Now we know what the intake vents on the hood look like. Very much in the vein of Cup car. Question remains what do they do?
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Now we know what the intake vents on the hood look like. Very much in the vein of Cup car. Question remains what do they do?
Cool a front KERS device?
Old 03-30-2017, 01:30 PM
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^^^ GT2 RS mule from my understanding
Old 03-30-2017, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Now we know what the intake vents on the hood look like. Very much in the vein of Cup car. Question remains what do they do?
F40 - Minimal impact on airflow, while still creating an inlet for airflow. They can be used in nearly any application that requires airflow, whether that’s feeding an air intake, a radiator, or even cooling for a driver. The Ferrari F40 made extensive use of NACA ducts.
Old 03-30-2017, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mass27
OR...the other crazy alternative is:

If I had paid over MSRP for a .1RS with BOTH the .2GT3 and the .2RS having a better engine and not made in limited production, I would be WTF.

.2RS can "only" have 25HP more with the next and better version of the 4.0 and people will run to get the .2RS. If it is offered in a manual, look out...

We all have been saying this for quite some time.
Most paid over MSRP. Me included. Don't regret it one bit. Love my RS.

Not worried about that. New .2GT3 will be selling in most stores for well over MSRP. New GT2RS will be selling for well over MSRP and with the new .2GT3RS when it arrives later in 2019 it will likely replicate the inital numbers the 991.1RS was fetching. Unless of course you are aware of any "anti over msrp" pixy dust that is going to be sprinkled over these new GT cars.

PAG is always improving and making the new "better" than the last. Thats how they sell new cars and make money. Better doesn't mean the last was not good or no longer good. Long list of Porsche Exhibits that are still dream cars to prove that including but not limited the 991.1GT3RS.

Sometimes the older models have a charm and presence. 991.1RS was epic nd still is despite there is always going to be the new and improved model.

Exhibit A. 2012 987 Spyder. Could have bought a new 981 Spyder but the 987 has a special charm.

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Old 03-30-2017, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Waxer
Most paid over MSRP. Me included. Don't regret it one bit. Love my RS.

Not worried about that. New .2GT3 will be selling in most stores for well over MSRP. New GT2RS will be selling for well over MSRP and with the new .2GT3RS when it arrives later in 2019 it will likely replicate the inital numbers the 991.1RS was fetching. Unless of course you are aware of any "anti over msrp" pixy dust that is going to be sprinkled over these new GT cars.

PAG is always improving and making the new "better" than the last. Thats how they sell new cars and make money. Better doesn't mean the last was not good or no longer good.

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Agreed. It will take a lot of pull to buy .2RS or GT2RS at MSRP. Although, people like yourself with a .1RS will have a very good bargaining chip.
Old 03-30-2017, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymission
^^^ GT2 RS mule from my understanding
Yea, but these two are basically visual twins except for intercooler outlets in rear bumper, so it's logical that those vents on frunk are the same also
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Originally Posted by randr
Yes but the 718S outhandles the 991.1 C and C2S - its even quicker and everyone except "the true enthusiasts" understands this Why would anyone go and buy an outdated vehicle - there is little point. Go and drive a 718S, in comparison the 991.1 C or C2S feels sloppy and at the limit, well there is no comparison at all.
My experience was the opposite. The unstable camber from the inferior rear suspension shows itself above 8/10th or even earlier. Many who drive GT3 and GT4 note the same thing. Even GT4 CS needs significant time investment from someone who really knows what they are doing to make them manageable. 718 engine is very strong, but handling at the limit is not its strong side, at least in the stock form.
Old 03-30-2017, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fxz
^race cars get what is first homologated on roads car
otherwise are prototypes like the 919
You're mistaken with respect to engine displacement and homologation; that's how Corvette runs a 5.5L NA V8 when the homologation car is a 6.2L FI V8.

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo
Cool a front KERS device?
Frank reiterated no 991 hybrid last time I saw him (Sebring). But who knows.

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Old 03-30-2017, 04:47 PM
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The GT2RS mule has the air intakes open, while the GT3RS mule has the GT3nose and frunk air vents taped over....

GT2RS looks better.
Old 03-30-2017, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Non-GT 992 cars will be a flop just like the 991.2 non-GTs and Porsche knows this. If they are smart (and this is a safe assumption), Porsche will shift more production into GT cars while the getting is good.

As much as I would like to disagree ...being the owner of a flop 991.1....I believe you are correct....which makes me sad I cannot purchase a 911R----

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Originally Posted by rosenbergendo
Cool a front KERS device?
Transmission cooler? Any reason for the front brakes to get additional cooling?...I know the location Of the vents is not ideal by any means---I vote for driver cooling..


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