RealityGT

Well you're definitely a good customer.. lol

Palting

You don't happen to have a 918 in your garage, do you?

Wild Weasel

I don't see one in his honour roll there... but I DO see enough to expect he's not begging for allocations.

sampelligrino

One thing to mention is that Porsche's system is not perfect, but it is purposeful. I think it's one of those things where when you are on the outside looking in, you are irritated and baffled as to why you cannot walk in with cash in hand and pay MSRP and configure a GT3 to your taste (believe me, I am still feeling this way). But once you are on the "inside" looking out, you realize you can theoretically drive your GT3/GT3RS/GT2RS/R for 1, 2, 3+ years and sell it or trade it in for what you paid for, or in some instances even more than what you paid for which is mostly unheard of in the auto industry.

Additionally, I think that this frenzy over the GT models is in part because they *are* hard to get and limited. Subconsciously I think that plays a part in at least some of us wanting this car. It's very easy to say if they made a million, there would be a million buyers because it's just an amazing car in its own right (which is true). But in the luxury game I think that there is an effect which is important to some, or maybe all of us if we were willing to admit it, that part of the lust and desire for the car is because it is hard to get and elevates its "legendary" status

Just my 2 cents from someone on both sides of the coin

GiuseppeM

GT3

subshooter

It's not sour grapes at all. It's that I am a left brainer and I can't come to grips with not being able to buy what I want because there is a game to be played first. You have to be on a list, a special customer or owned a 918 or 4 GT3RSs in the past.

I agree that the best manufacturer is largely an opinion. I love Porsche cars which is why I own two of their new sports cars. They know engineering, racing etc but they don't know business apparently. The best car manufacturer is the one that is making the most overall profit (opinion of course). That is the purpose of a business. The same culture that almost bankrupted Porsche in the mid-1980s are still leading PAG. The are replete with fantastic engineers but are not as focused on profit - their survival. Outside the box thinking brought the Boxster and SUVs which came to the rescue. Raise the price of the GT3 until demand equals supply.

P.S. I think mission E is going to sink Porsche. They spent a ton of money to make, effectively a Tesla which will cost even more per unit. Tesla is way ahead of the game too. Enthusiast are not going to play. If I wanted an EV car, I'd buy a Tesla before a heavy Porsche EV car.

shizzle

I think it depends on your buying patterns. I know a guy in Quebec who buys the first of everything (Ferrari, Porsche). So his SA and GM know to call him any time they're getting something, cause they know he'll probably buy it (at one point this guy had 991 Targa, Turbo, GT3 and RS) without him having a deposit.

subshooter

Well it is funny how things turn around because your posts over on planet-9 got me on the GT3 kick. I agree with your comments over there that this may be the last NA GT3. Emphasis on "may". I only buy new cars so I am worried. If there is a NA 992 GT3 with a manual, then I will be fine. I am disappointed in my 991.2 in the way it makes me feel; my 981 is much better in that regard. The GT3 will hit my itch I think.

sampelligrino

Hehe saw this and wanted to chime in at the risk of hijacking the thread. I disagree. I am queued up and high on the list for Mission E, and on the contrary (again - not to hijack the thread), I think Mission E will keep Porsche very relevant for years to come. I own a Tesla Model X Signature Edition and I *almost* hate the thing. The battery technology is absolutely amazing as well as straight line acceleration, *but* the car was rife with problems since delivery, the onboard computer takes a dump from time to time, the interior is re-used older Mercedes parts and not well designed/appropriate for the price tag in my opinion. The car has random issues across the board showing a lack in quality control (falcon doors, trunk, sensor technology for autopilot).

I always think to myself when driving the X that if equivalent battery technology could be integrated in a Porsche, that would be one amazing car and compliment to my 911. I am the biggest fan of Porsche interior design, build quality, your typical German over-engineering. Marry that with battery technology and I believe Porsche will dominate the mid-luxury segment of electric cars which Tesla currently holds title to with the S and X. The interior and exterior Tesla design is not great IMO, whereas the Mission E renderings inside and out look absolutely phenomenal as I await Porsche to fully attack the electric car (not the 20 mile range Panamera and Cayenne hybrid) and make an amazing product

shizzle

^ haven't put a deposit on a mission-e but I also agree this is a good car for Porsche to build. I would have pulled the trigger on a Tesla by now if the mission-e wasn't coming out soon. I actually wish they would have done an e-Macan!

0to60

PAG uses the GT cars to reward their dealer network in selling other cars. PAG bread and butter is the Cayenne and Macan , they are selling great.

Homsy94

So I have my name at 2 local dealers and they actually both called me with "holiday updates" (both nice guys).
First one told me (MSRP dealership)- they got 4 cars (I'm number 5) and that they had gotten 6 .1's so to hang tight for a couple months
Second told me (MSRP +5k ADM)- they got 2 cars (I'm number 6) and although they think they'll get a few more cars they don't think I'll get one. However, they are allowing me to get first dibs for the .2 RS slot at 20k ADM. Not bad considering where the market will probably be when it is released. As someone who will be using this as a daily spirited driving, I don't know if it's worth it for me but I'm still debating. Anyone wanna switch for an MSRP GT3 slot

Here's to hoping that they're right and they get a couple more

Jimmy-D

Take the .2 RS deal and get it locked up and firm, in writing, if the styling of an RS suits you better than a GT3. That will look like a bargain- do not forget to send me a bottle of Wine when my advice realizes

Terrence

Great insight and very true, however, many people here will not like to admit to that. Ferrari was the same with their mid engine V8's for decades.