neoprufrok

Not sure what to say.. but I have 4k miles on my LT.. both track and normal driving. No problems so far. Again, only my experience, so take it with a grain of salt.

neoprufrok

I definitely understand the hesitance, but I think this will change. For example, I'm part of the Turn One track club at Sonoma Raceway. Quite a few of us track McLaren's. McLaren SF actually now provides track experiences there at Sonoma through the club. They also do pre and post track inspections and, as long as you do that, the car's are covered under warranty even on track.

In terms of aftermarket parts for track days - given the sheer ability of the cars, I think if you're gonna want to go faster... you should just get a dedicated track car.

Finally, it may vary with dealers, but my McLaren dealer will transport my car from their shop after track inspection to the track free of charge (I can leave there as I have garage space at the track).

Drifting

You make some good points. I think Porsche has more to fear from Mclaren than Ferrari. Almost everyone buying a new Porsche GT car, Ferrari 488, or Mclaren has multiple cars. The Mclaren 650S and up all have more capability on the track than the 488 or any non-918 Porsche, the Macs are much lighter than any Porsche or Ferrari, with a great suspension for track or road, and it's not a huge pain to buy a new Mclaren, like it is to buy a new Ferrari or a Porsche GT car.

On the other hand, Mclaren will not appeal to track rats who prefer manuals or a NA engine, and Mclaren brakes, while better than they used to be, are still not as predictable or as easily modulated for track work, as Porsche brakes.

Very true. I think the 720S styling is a step better than previous generation, but no sports car is more beautiful than a Ferrari.
All modern Mclarens and Ferraris have more performance than anyone can use on a public road. If I was looking for a 3rd or 5th car and was choosing between a Mclaren or Ferrari, it would come down to my track needs.

Basically, if only going to the track 1-2 times a year or less, I would get a Ferrari as it looks better and will hold its value better. However, if I wanted to track the car regularly, I would choose a McLaren all day over a Ferrari.

Jimmy-D

Ferrari has very much to worry about McLaren. They are direct competitors.

Porsche has to make the decision if they want to make a mid-engine beast to compete in that upper-market. My bet is they have no other choice and they will. And probably knock it out of the park like the did on the 918

Their bigger issue now is McLaren invaiding their 911 Turbo space. That is a big issue with the 570S

Archimedes

Yes, one is a drop dead gorgeous sports car borne of decades of design excellence that looks at home on the street and the other looks like the evil spawn of Optimus Prime. I'm far more likely to own a McLaren in the future than a Ferrari, but I can call a spade a spade.

Archimedes

I don't think Porsche has any intention to compete with either of them in any meaningful way. I think they'll continue to just barely overlap at the upper end of Porsche and the lower end of Ferrari/McLaren/Lambo, which is the natural positioning for Porsche. That is until Ferrari starts selling $45,000 4 banger SUVs.

Drifting

Agree, and I think this might be one reason Porsche has continued to delay the 960.

Porsche the most profitable car company in the world. They own the 100K-200K cost bracket, and they make tons of money (much more than Ferrari, Mclaren or Lambo) doing what they've been doing in that cost bracket. They don't need to compete with Ferrari, Mclaren or lambo in the 200-350K bracket.

Porsche will produce a hypercar every decade or so, to show they can build something just as amazing as Ferrari or McLaren, but then go back to making their 911-based cars costing 100-200K, and continue as a company to make much more money than Ferrari or McLaren.

jlee504

The turbo s and 570s are in the same price bracket but the reality is you still can't drive a 570s around town as a daily. A turbo s is still a classic looking car that won't attract all that attention.

NateOZ

I drive my 570 to the supermarket most Sundays. It gets more attention than a Porsche, but it's fun to drive at street speeds - more so than the TTS and GT3 IMO.

I might throw it on the track for a session when the season starts and see how it really performs, but will depend on my track car's reliability.

Leica 993

You can, and McLaren is making a big push so that customers know that you can enjoy a 570S everyday, just like you can enjoy a TTS, but just with a little more flair.

C.J. Ichiban

The 570GT is the one to daily. Awesome car. And you can still drift them around in hoon mode.


570 sounds better than a turbo. Ferrari 458 or 488 does sound better than a 570 but a 675LT stands tall against anyone.

jo_ker

my 570S (with sports exhaust) sounds inside ... how should i say: not raw/loud/etc enough.

But my comparison against 997RS, 991RS, E46/E92M3, high tune 4bangers,... is not fair. I would have to do the comparison with an upcomming 570LT.

chassis wise the feeling is fun with rigid carbon mono + regular anti roll and suspension. (i do have it lowered 15mm with a KW spring kit + 10kg harder springs)
steering is perfect. thx to 100% hydro.
drifting (not powersliding) - tough job - logical: mid engine, turbo, no lsd

the real issue is i do not get emotions out of it - as long driving below 2xx.

the turbo lag: good above 5krpm but i can´t like the boost/torque as much as i like the N/A responsiveness and sound. don´t know if i can be friend with turbos at any time soon. my supercharged Caterhams i like already - a lot!

I never read so often a 2xx or 3xx on the speedo during a normal sunday drive as i do while driving the 570s. incredible. maybe a result of to less emotions as written before... not healthy for the surrounding and the driver license.

but. if turbo for me in 2018: i would like to get a GT2RS. and so another 100k more than the 570s is worth... but. as many in here i would like to transfer the bucks to my dealer - being on my knees.
those damn beetles still own me...

vtgt

So true, but hey if they can bump it up a bit and still compete why not. Same as bumping down with the lowly Macao 4 cyl lol

I would love to see the 960 come to fruition. Even a two door panamera like coupe might catch my eye

grendel88

TTS is still a $200K car. Anybody who can afford a $200K car for a daily driver most likely has a fairly cushy daily drive.

porscheflat6

Agree, most people tracking or daily driving cars above the $125K or more car can afford more car etc... I prefer car companies focused on performance and reliability so for me it is 1. Porsche, never see these broken down at track truly plug play right off show room and 2. Mclaren from what I see at the track and not being dismantled all the time. I will definitely buy a 570LT if they make it to go with my .2 GT3 so I have a little of each to thirsty my quench.