Whoopsy

Pretty sure you can now that you don't have THAT sport as a distraction

Leica 993

Is the 675LT pointless to own if you would rarely track it? I've owned Scuderia's and enjoyed them as a raw road going car, but I wonder if the 675LT is just as usable, "comfortable?" Or would you recommend this car mostly for the enthusiast that would spend quite a few weekends on a circuit?

C.J. Ichiban

The 430 scuderia is hot mess compared to an LT. Not even comparable how much better in the following ways:

Ride quality (McLaren wins)
Sound (McLaren Wins- downshifts!)
Transmission (mclaren wins)
Exotic-Ness (mclaren)
Speed (mclaren)
Dealer relations (I have only ever met 2 ferrari dealers that didn't deserve impalement)

NateOZ

Slightly OT - but how do you rate the Cup vs the 570S GT4? Realize it is a GT3 vs GT4 comparison but interested to hear your thoughts if you've driven the 570.

fun2k

Im also interested in a 675 but worried about re sale after some time.
How much are brand new ones going for these days? And secondly how will the 720s impact the 675 prices in a years time?

Drove the 650s spider and what a car but its not special like the LT.
Is the 675 really worth twice that car in today's money?so i have 3 options today:

1. Buy new LT?
2. Book new 720 for around the same as 675?
3. buy a used 650s , sell it when 720 comes out?

Lots of questions sorry

C.J. Ichiban

I get to drive the 570 GT4 pretty soon.

The cayman GT4 CS that we race is a lighter, less torque car vs the 570. The respective lap time between a GT3 cup and a GT4 car are somewhere between 3 seconds and 8 seconds depending on the track.

But the real speed for a 570 GT4 nobody truly knows because of the balance of performance. GT4 cars are regulated to all be the same speed. So the mclaren weighs (ballast) 200 lbs more (at least) vs the cayman.

Mclaren also comes with ESC, ABS, Power Steering...much more approachable car vs Cup which is very knifey.

C.J. Ichiban

Ok lets back up. I have more questions.

Is a car special because it is limited #'s or because it does 0-100 in 6 seconds?

Visually do you notice a big difference between the 650, 675, 720?

Which one looks the best?

Do you want a spider or a coupe?

Will you track the car?

What level driver are you?

Where do you live?


1) there are only 2 "new LT" in the country. We had a customer back out on one and I specced one for myself. The rest all sold a year ago or months ago. They are spiders, so, naturally more expensive than a coupe.
2) most dealers including both of mine have super long deposit lists for 720. Your car will not arrive until 2018.
3) used 650S spider is a great value for sure. They have unlimited mile warranties and we can sell you additional years of warranty.

Also- on the 720: you're in 340-380k range depending on the level of options. And like I said no car for you for a while since everyone else already got in line in december/jan.

675 coupe: similar price, more "hardcore"

675 spider: slightly more for a basic build, 100k more for something special.

650S: way less.

CAlexio

One note which is valid across the range: driving a carbon chassis car (mclaren) is a very different experience from an aluminum one (Ferrari). From the 570 to the 675 sensation of stiffness and lightweight (not p1 on that part) is very noticeable. The ferraris are quite heavy in comparison, not to mention that the mclaren active suspension is almost like mercedes "magic ride" suspension. you really can't compare... its like a generational leap. Today, unless I wanted the scream of a NA 458 Speciale maybe???... I would take a 570, or a 675 (out of my range) over any comparable v8 Ferrari .. not even a question for me. 570s is a world bargain, doesn't feel like the baby... and comparing that to 488 @ 1.5x the price at the track is a joke.. 570 runs circles around it. If you can swing a 675 or wait for a 720, you've got a winner.

My hunch, is that Ferrari (and maybe Porsche with 992) must switch to at least partial composite chassis, or continue to get left behind. Mclaren has moved the game forward without question, that chassis makes it easy to overlook any other flaws. if you sit in a 720 and check out their monocage 2 chassis, with see through c-pillars and super thin a-pillars, it feels like a futuristic impossible achievement.. get back in the Ferrari and it feels like 1980's with paddles.

GrantG

I think this is still pretty challenging with higher production numbers. BMW was the only company to attempt to make a fairly high production car with lots of structural carbon components with the i Series. But they have just announced that they are abandoning this approach and will revert to Aluminum for future versions...

Archimedes

This could all be true, particularly from a track perspective, but the Ferrari is a work of art compared to the McLaren in styling terms, and, apparently, a fantastic road car with more performance than anyone could use on the street. Unless I was a track rat, I'd take the 488 GTB over the 570S all day, aluminum chassis and all.

NBoost

I don't think Ferrari has to worry about McLaren eating into their customer base, if anything, Ferrari owners who want a track experience might buy a McLaren as a 27th car for track use and save their 488 for street duty. Porsche has more to lose imo amongst serious track rats with real world budgets. There are a lot of guys on the site (and probably in this thread) with one toy car (P GT) that will start defecting to McLaren for purely economical reasons. More capability, same or similar money, and a smoother buying experience with more options will make it an easy decision for many.

bccars

I almost jumped to the Mclaren side. But Porsche managed to keep me in the flock with the 991.2 GT3.

Major reason is that Porsche is my known quantity for trackdays. I have a whole network of dealers, non official yet extremely knowledgeable specialists, track friends, regular gearhead friends all connected to the Porsche brand at my disposal that make it easy to support my car.

If Mclaren ups the ante there, on available dealers, on support in the broadest sense outside the official dealer network like aftermarket parts for trackdays, like a knowledgeable Mclaren "community" and so on, it will be very very hard to resist Mclaren again next time ...

ranger22

I only have a few examples to go from, but from those experiences, i don't feel like mclaren's are as dependable on the track as Porsches.....yet.

neoprufrok

It's a pretty comfortable car. In fact, I preferred it over my GT4 on longer drives.

neoprufrok

They're not even in the same class