991.2 is 3.8 and RS.2???
11-26-2016, 06:22 PM
#76
Drifting
GT3 manual same story as OP.
GT3RS 2011 IMO a better buy than a new GT3 manual.
Bottom line - no one can order a new GT3RS today and Porsche is headed towards hybrid if the 2016 GT3RS is the last NA or they make a short limited run which only 918 guys receive 16 GT3RS is worth every penny too me as I despise hybrid power in any form.
Satco has the right idea
GT3RS 2011 IMO a better buy than a new GT3 manual.
Bottom line - no one can order a new GT3RS today and Porsche is headed towards hybrid if the 2016 GT3RS is the last NA or they make a short limited run which only 918 guys receive 16 GT3RS is worth every penny too me as I despise hybrid power in any form.
Satco has the right idea
11-26-2016, 09:53 PM
#78
Nordschleife Master
Implications of 3.8L in GT3 (IMO):
"Protects" the 911 R, as that would be the only 991 with manual and 4.0L
A relatively small performance gap between GT3 and GTS on paper, and probably a dead heat in the real world
991.2 GT3RS is more likely, with 4.0L
Implications of 4.0L in GT3 (IMO):
Higher base MSRP due to additional feature content (more displacement) and the exotic alloy used in the crankshaft
991.2 GT3 RS is less likely; the factory won't go beyond 4.0L
"Protects" the 911 R, as that would be the only 991 with manual and 4.0L
A relatively small performance gap between GT3 and GTS on paper, and probably a dead heat in the real world
991.2 GT3RS is more likely, with 4.0L
Implications of 4.0L in GT3 (IMO):
Higher base MSRP due to additional feature content (more displacement) and the exotic alloy used in the crankshaft
991.2 GT3 RS is less likely; the factory won't go beyond 4.0L
Makes no sense in that regard especially after the new 991.2TT, GT2RS, 991.2GTS all of which are TT.
I think Rosenbergendo is likely right. 991.1GT3RS is the last of the Mohichans as far as the NA is concerned.
11-26-2016, 09:56 PM
#79
Nordschleife Master
I believe there is more torque to be had out of the 3.8 via the ECU provided emissions can still be met. You can get more torque out of it now with exhaust and/or header mods.
11-26-2016, 10:01 PM
#80
Drifting
Has some logic on both counts, except by the time a new 991.2GT3RS would be coming out with a 4.0 it would be even further behind in performance in the public eye and the journalistic eye than the rapidly advancing TT world since we are talking likely 2019 or 2020 by the time we see a 991.2 GT3RS.
Makes no sense in that regard especially after the new 991.2TT, GT2RS, 991.2GTS all of which are TT.
I think Rosenbergendo is likely right. 991.1GT3RS is the last of the Mohichans as far as the NA is concerned.
Makes no sense in that regard especially after the new 991.2TT, GT2RS, 991.2GTS all of which are TT.
I think Rosenbergendo is likely right. 991.1GT3RS is the last of the Mohichans as far as the NA is concerned.
991.2 Turbo (S)
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All run the quarter well into the 10s and trap around or above 130 MPH. I think the 991.2 GT3 will be quite outgunned in the marketplace too; 2013 (991.1 GT3 intro) vs 2017 (992.2 GT3 intro) - very different world for a variety of reasons. Meanwhile the GT3 is only a mild evolution.
11-27-2016, 11:10 AM
#81
Nordschleife Master
4.0 is already pretty slow in a straight line versus the competition near or north of $200k:
991.2 Turbo (S)
Huracan
R8 V10 Plus
488 GTB
570S
All run the quarter well into the 10s and trap around or above 130 MPH. I think the 991.2 GT3 will be quite outgunned in the marketplace too; 2013 (991.1 GT3 intro) vs 2017 (992.2 GT3 intro) - very different world for a variety of reasons. Meanwhile the GT3 is only a mild evolution.
991.2 Turbo (S)
Huracan
R8 V10 Plus
488 GTB
570S
All run the quarter well into the 10s and trap around or above 130 MPH. I think the 991.2 GT3 will be quite outgunned in the marketplace too; 2013 (991.1 GT3 intro) vs 2017 (992.2 GT3 intro) - very different world for a variety of reasons. Meanwhile the GT3 is only a mild evolution.
We are now in a TT world.
11-27-2016, 11:47 AM
#83
4.0 is already pretty slow in a straight line versus the competition near or north of $200k:
991.2 Turbo (S)
Huracan
R8 V10 Plus
488 GTB
570S
All run the quarter well into the 10s and trap around or above 130 MPH. I think the 991.2 GT3 will be quite outgunned in the marketplace too; 2013 (991.1 GT3 intro) vs 2017 (992.2 GT3 intro) - very different world for a variety of reasons. Meanwhile the GT3 is only a mild evolution.
991.2 Turbo (S)
Huracan
R8 V10 Plus
488 GTB
570S
All run the quarter well into the 10s and trap around or above 130 MPH. I think the 991.2 GT3 will be quite outgunned in the marketplace too; 2013 (991.1 GT3 intro) vs 2017 (992.2 GT3 intro) - very different world for a variety of reasons. Meanwhile the GT3 is only a mild evolution.
11-27-2016, 12:26 PM
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Agreed. That's why I think the 991.2 GT3 will be the last NA GT3 and the 991.1 RS is the last NA RS as Rosenbergendo as said as supported from his sources. Rosenbergendo also said the new GT3 will stay 3.8 which kinda surprised me but I can see why they would stay 3.8 with a 10hp increase in hp and bump in torque with other improvements and a mt option.
We are now in a TT world.
We are now in a TT world.
The chances of Porsche producing a 991.2 GT3 with either a 100% NA engine with either 4.0L or 4.2L engine in a turbo performance world will be very slim.
11-27-2016, 12:32 PM
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The RS is now directly in that pricing territory more than ever.
11-27-2016, 12:42 PM
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11-27-2016, 01:00 PM
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BTW when i spend 200k i would prefer 10 times a 4L aerospace metallurgy 9k rpm NA plus hybrid
over any outdated 80' tech hoover
over any outdated 80' tech hoover
11-27-2016, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fxz
BTW i would prefer 10 times a 4L NA plus hybrid
over any ootdated 80' tech turbo
over any ootdated 80' tech turbo
11-27-2016, 03:02 PM
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Both the 991.2 GT3 and RS will be NA. The GT3 will be 4.0 L. The 4.0 can still pump out more HP for the RS and 4.2 is a consideration. The 991 RS was not the last of the Mohicans. The 991.2 will be for the RS but the GT3 may survive another iteration. In the eyes of Porsche the 918 in the end was a success(they did swet it a little) and they are watching the NSX very closely. Chances are the 918 technology will trickle down to the 992 RS.
The GT4 will probably stay NA for a couple more rounds and that will be their flag ship purist car to go up against lotus and others' that will focus on light weight, NA, models that will always have their place over track times. These models are great stepping stones up the chain for them
The GT4 will probably stay NA for a couple more rounds and that will be their flag ship purist car to go up against lotus and others' that will focus on light weight, NA, models that will always have their place over track times. These models are great stepping stones up the chain for them