991 GT2RS
#1336
.........in the meantime, Mclaren 675LT/720S/"745LT" will provide a similar driving experience of TT engine, RWD, DCT, long wheelbase, aero, etc. for a similar cost, but beat the GT2RS in performance.
Last edited by Drifting; 06-04-2017 at 06:38 PM.
#1337
#1338
Agree with both statements. Porsche won't upset their carefully controlled car hierarchy, the GT2RS will set a great ring time, and all cars will be sold promptly to Porsche diehards.
.........in the meantime, Mclaren 675LT/720S/"745LT" will provide a similar driving experience of TT engine, RWD, DCT, long wheelbase, aero, etc. for a similar cost, but beat the GT2RS in performance.
.........in the meantime, Mclaren 675LT/720S/"745LT" will provide a similar driving experience of TT engine, RWD, DCT, long wheelbase, aero, etc. for a similar cost, but beat the GT2RS in performance.
Also, 745LT will probably be $400K+ when all said and done. In fact, even 675LT is impossible to find under 400K in a good configuration. So it's not surprising that it's faster.
Porsche will figure out a way to make GT2 stand out. Performance-wise you can get 95% or more of what GT3 offers from something like 350R or some other cars that cost much less, and ACR wipes the floor with a GT3, and yet you keep buying GT3s. There is a reason for that, right?
I also sometimes feel like Porsche is conning its buyers still selling non-carbon fiber cars with rather old-tech suspensions compared even to GM, but when it gets to driving, somehow it still works better.
#1339
ROFL , I went with the orange interior in my rs but will not do it again.The red would look even worse , looks like it was made by those tuner companies as a one of one when imagination went back to a childish dreams.
#1340
Basing a flagship on a 911 is fundamentally limiting for a number of reasons.
Some of these can be fixed without designing a entirely new platform but I suppose this is all academic if Porsche will only make 1000 GT2 units.
- unibody instead of carbon tub
- strut front suspension
- rear engined instead of midengined, both from a dynamics and aero standpoint
- looks (not as exotic)
Some of these can be fixed without designing a entirely new platform but I suppose this is all academic if Porsche will only make 1000 GT2 units.
The hair shirt, pur sang, no AC crowd would love the opportunity to brag to their neighbors / cars and coffee attendees about their $300k car that lacks a trunk.
I hope that's correct. With PCCB standard and no regen from hybrid I'm wondering if ~700 HP won't consistently push the carbon brakes over their temperature threshold.
If track-worthyness is Porsche's Alamo they really need to reconsider the ridiculous replacement PCCB disk prices. In the big picture they are trading what- ~50 replacement sets (GT2s and GT3s with PCCBs that actually track their cars consistently and hard enough to torch disks) times an extra 15k per set profit... Less than $1 million in trade for much of what serious enthusiasts still consider the core of Porsche's reputation.
Please: pull it from the marketing budget. Try to turn everything into a profit center and marketing will soon find it's a drop in the bucket.
If track-worthyness is Porsche's Alamo they really need to reconsider the ridiculous replacement PCCB disk prices. In the big picture they are trading what- ~50 replacement sets (GT2s and GT3s with PCCBs that actually track their cars consistently and hard enough to torch disks) times an extra 15k per set profit... Less than $1 million in trade for much of what serious enthusiasts still consider the core of Porsche's reputation.
Please: pull it from the marketing budget. Try to turn everything into a profit center and marketing will soon find it's a drop in the bucket.
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#1341
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=297783
#1342
It's not that Porsche got any less great but rather a new superb manufacturer came into the picture.
This a great way of putting it. I'm not trying to specifically disparage the 991 GT2RS, because it will be a great car, it's just not a unique car this time around, and people are reacting like it is.
Also, 745LT will probably be $400K+ when all said and done. In fact, even 675LT is impossible to find under 400K in a good configuration. So it's not surprising that it's faster.
Valid point on the LT prices. 488 and 720S are likely a more fair comparison to the 991 GT2RS as those two do cost the same.
However, I also think the 675LT values will drop to 300 or below once the 745LT comes out.
Porsche will figure out a way to make GT2 stand out. Performance-wise you can get 95% or more of what GT3 offers from something like 350R or some other cars that cost much less, and ACR wipes the floor with a GT3, and yet you keep buying GT3s. There is a reason for that, right?
Not so sure about this as I was comparing exotic cars at similar price points with similar power, engines, and drivetrains.
Whole different discussion as to why we buy exotics when you get the most power for $ by buying domestic muscle.
This a great way of putting it. I'm not trying to specifically disparage the 991 GT2RS, because it will be a great car, it's just not a unique car this time around, and people are reacting like it is.
Also, 745LT will probably be $400K+ when all said and done. In fact, even 675LT is impossible to find under 400K in a good configuration. So it's not surprising that it's faster.
Valid point on the LT prices. 488 and 720S are likely a more fair comparison to the 991 GT2RS as those two do cost the same.
However, I also think the 675LT values will drop to 300 or below once the 745LT comes out.
Porsche will figure out a way to make GT2 stand out. Performance-wise you can get 95% or more of what GT3 offers from something like 350R or some other cars that cost much less, and ACR wipes the floor with a GT3, and yet you keep buying GT3s. There is a reason for that, right?
Not so sure about this as I was comparing exotic cars at similar price points with similar power, engines, and drivetrains.
Whole different discussion as to why we buy exotics when you get the most power for $ by buying domestic muscle.
#1343
Mclaren and Ferrari (and Lamborghini...), have cars that are quicker round a track than a GT3RS, but none of them (inc the LT) can take the consistent hammering that a GT car can take, nor can they be run at a similar cost.
If you add 200bho and various performance enhancements, I think the GT2RS will be a hell of a car, and materially better than what the competition have right now, on a track. If you're on a road, they all have more performance than you need, and way more perormance than 99% of owners can exploit.
Is it worth the cash - unsure, depends on the final spec, but it's where my money will very likely go.
If you add 200bho and various performance enhancements, I think the GT2RS will be a hell of a car, and materially better than what the competition have right now, on a track. If you're on a road, they all have more performance than you need, and way more perormance than 99% of owners can exploit.
Is it worth the cash - unsure, depends on the final spec, but it's where my money will very likely go.
#1345
I like the blacked out steering wheel, hopefully an all black interior will be possible.
I didn't see the **** dial for selecting sport, sport +, and whatever the additional settings are called for the PDK+. The current 2 settings of Caddy lazy slushbox setting and the batsh!t crazy track settings are not enough....
I didn't see the **** dial for selecting sport, sport +, and whatever the additional settings are called for the PDK+. The current 2 settings of Caddy lazy slushbox setting and the batsh!t crazy track settings are not enough....
#1346
Mclaren and Ferrari (and Lamborghini...), have cars that are quicker round a track than a GT3RS, but none of them (inc the LT) can take the consistent hammering that a GT car can take, nor can they be run at a similar cost.
If you add 200bho and various performance enhancements, I think the GT2RS will be a hell of a car, and materially better than what the competition have right now, on a track.
If you add 200bho and various performance enhancements, I think the GT2RS will be a hell of a car, and materially better than what the competition have right now, on a track.
I agree of course that the the GT cars can be run harder on track and at much more sensible running costs but whether that's necessarily true of this car is not immediately obvious. A lot of the running costs are at least partially due to the much higher top speeds and power. Ultimately a 700hp car weighing 1500+kg is going to rack up a huge amount of consumables on track whether Porsche, Mclaren or Ferrari imo. And for all of Mclaren's faults their cars will run 40 miles on track without having to stop for a refill of some cooling tank !
Don't get me wrong, I think the gt2rs will be a very impressive performing machine and almost certainly the quickest thing around now. Porsche have certainly have had long enough to engineer it to win the lap time war but so far from what has been announced, yet another massively computer dependent lap time monster mainly designed to flog out some quick laps (see cooling tank refill) leaves me a bit cold I have to admit.
#1347
Right.
Only Porsche's can be beat on day after day, in the heat, all day long.
I mean, 4 days on tires, 8-10 day on front pads, 16-20 days on front rotors and the rear pads and rotors last forever..
About 56-58 track days now, 19K miles. And not even a hickup?!
I can only whine about low fuel limp mode, a finicky oil level and TPMS bot allowing to set below 26PSI..
Filling up a water tank a la M4 GTS meh, but OK.
As long as it goes and goes, there is no substitute.
All other stuff I rarely see on track simply won't function right, or not for long, or at insane running costs...I'd love to have an alternative but it doesn't exist.
Only Porsche's can be beat on day after day, in the heat, all day long.
I mean, 4 days on tires, 8-10 day on front pads, 16-20 days on front rotors and the rear pads and rotors last forever..
About 56-58 track days now, 19K miles. And not even a hickup?!
I can only whine about low fuel limp mode, a finicky oil level and TPMS bot allowing to set below 26PSI..
Filling up a water tank a la M4 GTS meh, but OK.
As long as it goes and goes, there is no substitute.
All other stuff I rarely see on track simply won't function right, or not for long, or at insane running costs...I'd love to have an alternative but it doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Right.
Only Porsche's can be beat on day after day, in the heat, all day long.
I mean, 4 days on tires, 8-10 day on front pads, 16-20 days on front rotors and the rear pads and rotors last forever..
About 56-58 track days now, 19K miles. And not even a hickup?!
I can only whine about low fuel limp mode, a finicky oil level and TPMS bot allowing to set below 26PSI..
Filling up a water tank a la M4 GTS meh, but OK.
As long as it goes and goes, there is no substitute.
All other stuff I rarely see on track simply won't function right, or not for long, or at insane running costs...I'd love to have an alternative but it doesn't exist.
Only Porsche's can be beat on day after day, in the heat, all day long.
I mean, 4 days on tires, 8-10 day on front pads, 16-20 days on front rotors and the rear pads and rotors last forever..
About 56-58 track days now, 19K miles. And not even a hickup?!
I can only whine about low fuel limp mode, a finicky oil level and TPMS bot allowing to set below 26PSI..
Filling up a water tank a la M4 GTS meh, but OK.
As long as it goes and goes, there is no substitute.
All other stuff I rarely see on track simply won't function right, or not for long, or at insane running costs...I'd love to have an alternative but it doesn't exist.
I personally think that while porsche is lauded for reliability on track we are also talking about catastrophic pdk failures, camshaft blowouts, etc on the GT3. Cup cars blow engines. When you flog cars hard they all break eventually.
Granted it sounds like you have been through 4 sets of pads and 14 sets of tires and 2 sets of rotors...how much life do you have left in your axles, hubs, center lock nut, shocks, etc??
#1350
Assuming 700 hp (sounds about right)... that's around a 120 hp per ton improvement in power to weight ratio over the 991.2 GT3. Some extrapolations I'd done previously suggest around a ~21 second reduction in 'ring time for that type of improvement assuming same generation tires, etc (though it gets very fuzzy at the bottom edge depending how grip limited you are).
Extrapolating from the 7:12 that suggests 700 hp and great rubber should get you to 6:51 or thereabouts. The Huracan Peformante's time is 6:52.01...
This should be interesting. Any bets?
Extrapolating from the 7:12 that suggests 700 hp and great rubber should get you to 6:51 or thereabouts. The Huracan Peformante's time is 6:52.01...
This should be interesting. Any bets?
I bet 700hp
PCCB and water sprayed inter coolers meh.
1530KG sounds good to me!
https://www.total911.com/total-911-i...3-on-sale-now/
PCCB and water sprayed inter coolers meh.
1530KG sounds good to me!
https://www.total911.com/total-911-i...3-on-sale-now/
Its not 700hp
its not sold out
its not debut in october