991 GT2RS
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I'm curious what you were expecting, or better what you'd prefer?
Porsche abandoned the hp war long ago. While other manufactures are giving customers ever cheaper power, Porsche generally refuses to:
The GT2 RS has been the lone exception, and indeed if the quoted numbers are correct we're looking at a new point around 467 hp per ton and 280-320k on this graph, far above the trend line (like the old GT2 RS):
Where Porsche have tried to compete, on the other hand, is setup and lap time. Many on paper much lighter and more powerful rivals have fallen short when measured against the clock- put the 918s stats next to the P1s and La Ferrari's, for example. Porsche will try a similar trick again, and I'd bet on them to succeed.
I read "under 7 minutes, we haven't tested it yet or finalized the specs" as Porsche code for "we're beating the 918, we're not sure about the Peformante yet". So we'll have another 911 (not a supercar remember) taking supercar scalps and then going for lunch. Which is long as it has been.
Given this I'm genuinely curious what you feel Porsche should do to make it more special. Manual transmission? More power to keep up with the HP arms race? Shorter wheelbase? Carbon chassis (at which point it's not a 911)?
I'm a manual fan and I'd like the option in principle. I'll admit however that if I had the money for this thing I'd think very hard before ticking a MT box. My experience with GT2s is that they are "both hands on the wheel" kind of cars...
Porsche abandoned the hp war long ago. While other manufactures are giving customers ever cheaper power, Porsche generally refuses to:
The GT2 RS has been the lone exception, and indeed if the quoted numbers are correct we're looking at a new point around 467 hp per ton and 280-320k on this graph, far above the trend line (like the old GT2 RS):
Where Porsche have tried to compete, on the other hand, is setup and lap time. Many on paper much lighter and more powerful rivals have fallen short when measured against the clock- put the 918s stats next to the P1s and La Ferrari's, for example. Porsche will try a similar trick again, and I'd bet on them to succeed.
I read "under 7 minutes, we haven't tested it yet or finalized the specs" as Porsche code for "we're beating the 918, we're not sure about the Peformante yet". So we'll have another 911 (not a supercar remember) taking supercar scalps and then going for lunch. Which is long as it has been.
Given this I'm genuinely curious what you feel Porsche should do to make it more special. Manual transmission? More power to keep up with the HP arms race? Shorter wheelbase? Carbon chassis (at which point it's not a 911)?
I'm a manual fan and I'd like the option in principle. I'll admit however that if I had the money for this thing I'd think very hard before ticking a MT box. My experience with GT2s is that they are "both hands on the wheel" kind of cars...
Now just need to find a way to get that Ti rollbar...
I'd bet money it will be an option.
Anyone else catch the spring rate comment? Double that of 3 RS up front!!
Last edited by Nizer; 06-04-2017 at 11:14 AM.
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The Porsche will always have a traction advantage with 265/325 tires...the Ferrari's and McLarens never have that much.
But what is interesting to me is that there will definitely be a 100+ KG advantage for the McLaren, and how that will play out.
Having just driven the 720S I will say that the car is incredible and will humble a lot of people. This next generation of in between super/hyper cars is going to be very very impressive behind the wheel.
From what I am reading in between the lines on the GT2RS it will have canards on the front bumper to help with wheelie prevention. I am also disappointed that they are not "pulling out all the sound deadening" but I guess my shop can do that. If I am forking it out for a super race car lap record machine I don't need 20kg of foam throughout the car.
But what is interesting to me is that there will definitely be a 100+ KG advantage for the McLaren, and how that will play out.
Having just driven the 720S I will say that the car is incredible and will humble a lot of people. This next generation of in between super/hyper cars is going to be very very impressive behind the wheel.
From what I am reading in between the lines on the GT2RS it will have canards on the front bumper to help with wheelie prevention. I am also disappointed that they are not "pulling out all the sound deadening" but I guess my shop can do that. If I am forking it out for a super race car lap record machine I don't need 20kg of foam throughout the car.
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The Porsche will always have a traction advantage with 265/325 tires...the Ferrari's and McLarens never have that much.
But what is interesting to me is that there will definitely be a 100+ KG advantage for the McLaren, and how that will play out.
Having just driven the 720S I will say that the car is incredible and will humble a lot of people. This next generation of in between super/hyper cars is going to be very very impressive behind the wheel.
From what I am reading in between the lines on the GT2RS it will have canards on the front bumper to help with wheelie prevention. I am also disappointed that they are not "pulling out all the sound deadening" but I guess my shop can do that. If I am forking it out for a super race car lap record machine I don't need 20kg of foam throughout the car.
But what is interesting to me is that there will definitely be a 100+ KG advantage for the McLaren, and how that will play out.
Having just driven the 720S I will say that the car is incredible and will humble a lot of people. This next generation of in between super/hyper cars is going to be very very impressive behind the wheel.
From what I am reading in between the lines on the GT2RS it will have canards on the front bumper to help with wheelie prevention. I am also disappointed that they are not "pulling out all the sound deadening" but I guess my shop can do that. If I am forking it out for a super race car lap record machine I don't need 20kg of foam throughout the car.
Also WP came with Mg wheels, so I'm guessing the magazines are missing spec nuances.
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The GT2 RS has been the lone exception, and indeed if the quoted numbers are correct we're looking at a new point around 467 hp per ton and 280-320k on this graph, far above the trend line (like the old GT2 RS):
Where Porsche have tried to compete, on the other hand, is setup and lap time. Many on paper much lighter and more powerful rivals have fallen short when measured against the clock- put the 918s stats next to the P1s and La Ferrari's, for example. Porsche will try a similar trick again, and I'd bet on them to succeed.
I read "under 7 minutes, we haven't tested it yet or finalized the specs" as Porsche code for "we're beating the 918, we're not sure about the Peformante yet". So we'll have another 911 (not a supercar remember) taking supercar scalps and then going for lunch. Which is long as it has been.
Given this I'm genuinely curious what you feel Porsche should do to make it more special. Manual transmission? More power to keep up with the HP arms race? Shorter wheelbase? Carbon chassis (at which point it's not a 911)?
Where Porsche have tried to compete, on the other hand, is setup and lap time. Many on paper much lighter and more powerful rivals have fallen short when measured against the clock- put the 918s stats next to the P1s and La Ferrari's, for example. Porsche will try a similar trick again, and I'd bet on them to succeed.
I read "under 7 minutes, we haven't tested it yet or finalized the specs" as Porsche code for "we're beating the 918, we're not sure about the Peformante yet". So we'll have another 911 (not a supercar remember) taking supercar scalps and then going for lunch. Which is long as it has been.
Given this I'm genuinely curious what you feel Porsche should do to make it more special. Manual transmission? More power to keep up with the HP arms race? Shorter wheelbase? Carbon chassis (at which point it's not a 911)?
I can't answer for Drifting but I can see why he thinks the way he does about the lack of 'specialness' of the car outside of a potential limited edition plaque at the projected price point. As things stand, the gt2rs looks designed to be a lap time monster little to no different from most of the rest of compeition ie turbo, lots of power, loads of electronics, dual clutch, heavy. Despite the rose joints, I expect the car to be still designed primarily as a road car - just as the 488/720/675 type cars. Certainly I'd expect well over 90% of cars to be specced with leather interior, sat nav, upgraded sound etc...
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You can see the data points in this older version of the graph, as well as the previous GT3 RS which was the previous biggest outlier:
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What were the torque limits of the PDK? Sorry if I missed it was the transmission modified for the GT2RS.
What car currently has the highest torque dual clutch transmission?
What car currently has the highest torque dual clutch transmission?
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Bugatti Chiron maybe (1,500 hp and 1,200 ft-lbs) - more than double GT2RS...
PDK is NOT TORQUE LIMITED. 918 has 900+ ft lbs!!!
#1318
I really hope the car in the vids
really is a "prototype" because
the *** with
the circular vents in the rear
bumper looks atrocious to me.
Cheap bolt on hack is
what I think when I see the
rear.
really is a "prototype" because
the *** with
the circular vents in the rear
bumper looks atrocious to me.
Cheap bolt on hack is
what I think when I see the
rear.
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It's a prototype with camo. You really think they are going to let the final car out in the public before it's official reveal?
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I can't answer for Drifting but I can see why he thinks the way he does about the lack of 'specialness' of the car outside of a potential limited edition plaque at the projected price point. As things stand, the gt2rs looks designed to be a lap time monster little to no different from most of the rest of compeition ie turbo, lots of power, loads of electronics, dual clutch, heavy. Despite the rose joints, I expect the car to be still designed primarily as a road car - just as the 488/720/675 type cars.
I'm curious what you were expecting, or better what you'd prefer?
Given this I'm genuinely curious what you feel Porsche should do to make it more special. Manual transmission? More power to keep up with the HP arms race? Shorter wheelbase? Carbon chassis (at which point it's not a 911)?
I'm a manual fan and I'd like the option in principle. I'll admit however that if I had the money for this thing I'd think very hard before ticking a MT box. My experience with GT2s is that they are "both hands on the wheel" kind of cars...
Given this I'm genuinely curious what you feel Porsche should do to make it more special. Manual transmission? More power to keep up with the HP arms race? Shorter wheelbase? Carbon chassis (at which point it's not a 911)?
I'm a manual fan and I'd like the option in principle. I'll admit however that if I had the money for this thing I'd think very hard before ticking a MT box. My experience with GT2s is that they are "both hands on the wheel" kind of cars...
Now the GT2RS is basically the same as the competition.
I agree with you that I'd like there to be a manual option in principle, although I also agree with 700HP to rear wheels only, PDK-S is likely the safest option, but then again part of the previous mystique of the GT2RS was that driving it was a bit like being a lion tamer.
Anyway, to answer your question I'd like the 991 GT2RS to be more special compared to other 991 turbos and more differentiated from the competition, either by insane power for this limited run of GT2RS, like 800hp, or major weight reduction, like a carbon tub to drop the weight down to 3000 lbs.
The GT2RS still sounds like a great car, and I don't want to take away from that for the future owners on this thread, its just that the 991 GT2RS doesn't sound that different from a 488 Speciale, or a Mclaren LT.