MANUAL transmission enthusiasts: 991.2 GT3 manual, or GT3 RS PDK if forced to choose?
03-08-2016, 10:21 AM
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To me, the PDK-S is an integral aspect of the 9,000rpm engine with very short gears (22% average shorter overall gearing than the 997-GT3). From Porsche's perspective, PDK-S is not just a "choice," it's a question of functional capability. 20% more torque, 20% more RPMs, 20% more dramatic engine braking in lower gears and no room for error combined with big ego, low skill humans and a plaintiff's bar...
Unless Porsche uses much taller gearing, which they will, MT GT3's are going to result in a lot of over-revs, blown engines and angry customers. If you have taller gears and lower revs (a la 991 r), you defeat the whole point of the high-rev, NA technological marvel.
Unless Porsche uses much taller gearing, which they will, MT GT3's are going to result in a lot of over-revs, blown engines and angry customers. If you have taller gears and lower revs (a la 991 r), you defeat the whole point of the high-rev, NA technological marvel.
03-08-2016, 11:13 AM
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To me, the PDK-S is an integral aspect of the 9,000rpm engine with very short gears (22% average shorter overall gearing than the 997-GT3). From Porsche's perspective, PDK-S is not just a "choice," it's a question of functional capability. 20% more torque, 20% more RPMs, 20% more dramatic engine braking in lower gears and no room for error combined with big ego, low skill humans and a plaintiff's bar...
Unless Porsche uses much taller gearing, which they will, MT GT3's are going to result in a lot of over-revs, blown engines and angry customers. If you have taller gears and lower revs (a la 991 r), you defeat the whole point of the high-rev, NA technological marvel.
Unless Porsche uses much taller gearing, which they will, MT GT3's are going to result in a lot of over-revs, blown engines and angry customers. If you have taller gears and lower revs (a la 991 r), you defeat the whole point of the high-rev, NA technological marvel.
03-08-2016, 11:17 AM
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Free option? Tough call, but I would choose PDK. If I already have a fun manual car, pdk.
Paid option for PDK? I choose manual.
Pdk makes the car very boring on the street, but awesome on track
Manual fun on the street, but also fun on track.
Paid option for PDK? I choose manual.
Pdk makes the car very boring on the street, but awesome on track
Manual fun on the street, but also fun on track.
03-08-2016, 10:00 PM
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To me, the PDK-S is an integral aspect of the 9,000rpm engine with very short gears (22% average shorter overall gearing than the 997-GT3). From Porsche's perspective, PDK-S is not just a "choice," it's a question of functional capability. 20% more torque, 20% more RPMs, 20% more dramatic engine braking in lower gears and no room for error combined with big ego, low skill humans and a plaintiff's bar...
Unless Porsche uses much taller gearing, which they will, MT GT3's are going to result in a lot of over-revs, blown engines and angry customers. If you have taller gears and lower revs (a la 991 r), you defeat the whole point of the high-rev, NA technological marvel.
Unless Porsche uses much taller gearing, which they will, MT GT3's are going to result in a lot of over-revs, blown engines and angry customers. If you have taller gears and lower revs (a la 991 r), you defeat the whole point of the high-rev, NA technological marvel.
Nothing about this car makes it not good for a manual. Will 0-60 be slower, sure, who cares. The 6MT will be same as the 911R which also supports a lower redline albeit with more torque.
Lets see about 911R reviews and then we can see how the 6MT goes....
03-09-2016, 01:37 AM
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03-09-2016, 03:51 AM
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At the speeds the 991 and beyond are going, a manual shifter is a liability not asset.
For me the boat has sailed in terms of a track-biased car--it's gonna be paddles. Put in a single clutch sequential box if one can, I want something that rattles like a cup and jolts like a horse prodded in the butt.
Leave the manual shifter to that "feel" car AP wants to make. Sure that'll be a great car, but that'll will have a decidedly different application.
For me the boat has sailed in terms of a track-biased car--it's gonna be paddles. Put in a single clutch sequential box if one can, I want something that rattles like a cup and jolts like a horse prodded in the butt.
Leave the manual shifter to that "feel" car AP wants to make. Sure that'll be a great car, but that'll will have a decidedly different application.
03-09-2016, 03:55 AM
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too confusing, just get one of each then you be just fine.
03-09-2016, 03:12 PM
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The problem going forward is there are no NA cars other than the GT division.
I'd buy a GTS if it wasn't going turbo but I'm pretty sure outside the GT division that ship has sailed.
I already have a turbo car and it's great in a station wagon. That's where it belongs tbh.
I'd buy a GTS if it wasn't going turbo but I'm pretty sure outside the GT division that ship has sailed.
I already have a turbo car and it's great in a station wagon. That's where it belongs tbh.