MANUAL transmission enthusiasts: 991.2 GT3 manual, or GT3 RS PDK if forced to choose?
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On the list for 991.2 GT3 & RS too.
In a perfect world (with a bigger garage) I'd have a GT3 RS PDK and a GT4 MT.
Only have room for one so I will likely go for the GT3 MT. It's about having a blast, not lap times IMO.
In a perfect world (with a bigger garage) I'd have a GT3 RS PDK and a GT4 MT.
Only have room for one so I will likely go for the GT3 MT. It's about having a blast, not lap times IMO.
#64
I might flip a coin. I'd prefer to have felt the MT before making a decision. I hate having to modify things so they feel right, and I don't get the impression the clutch pedal is adjustable for travel, etc, nor do I have much sense of the likely throw and weighting.
#65
Burning Brakes
I would absolutely have chosen a MT for my 991 RS were I given the choice. I currently drive a 987.2 spyder manual (they all were) and race a 996 cup stick. After owning the 991RS I can begrudgingly truly appreciate PDK-S.
I've owned paddle shift cars before: F10 M5 (great transmission, mediocre car), F82 M4 (poor transmission (supposedly same as F10 but not), poor car), Lamborghini LP620-2 Super Trofeo (sequential race tranny). The 991RS PDK-S is leaps beyond all of the above. Revs in 1st gear (pretty much irrelevant on track) you probably couldn't even catch with a manual transmission. It revs fast.
My point: God save the manuals!!! But maybe these new cars ARE actually better suited to a DCT (certainly the turbo cars are). I would absolutely love seat time in a 991R to know for sure with the 9A1 RS motor. I suppose we'll all know in 18 months or so when the 991.2 GT3 is offered with two proper gear boxes.
Addendum: it does always make me chuckle (and feel slightly ashamed) when I jump in my 991RS, slide the key in the slot and stomp my left foot uselessly against the floormat
I've owned paddle shift cars before: F10 M5 (great transmission, mediocre car), F82 M4 (poor transmission (supposedly same as F10 but not), poor car), Lamborghini LP620-2 Super Trofeo (sequential race tranny). The 991RS PDK-S is leaps beyond all of the above. Revs in 1st gear (pretty much irrelevant on track) you probably couldn't even catch with a manual transmission. It revs fast.
My point: God save the manuals!!! But maybe these new cars ARE actually better suited to a DCT (certainly the turbo cars are). I would absolutely love seat time in a 991R to know for sure with the 9A1 RS motor. I suppose we'll all know in 18 months or so when the 991.2 GT3 is offered with two proper gear boxes.
Addendum: it does always make me chuckle (and feel slightly ashamed) when I jump in my 991RS, slide the key in the slot and stomp my left foot uselessly against the floormat
#66
I love how some scream about PDK being necessary for the track, yet 99.9% of us cant make the most of it and probably 90% of GT3s sold will never see the track.
There should be an option. Nothing about the GT3 is too new or advanced to have a MT. And its not a track car. Thats what the cup car is for.
There should be an option. Nothing about the GT3 is too new or advanced to have a MT. And its not a track car. Thats what the cup car is for.
#67
Race Director
If it was a 500lb clutch like the 997...PDK please!
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Track time- My GT3 and inbound RS, pdk all day.
Backroads-DD: my 997.1TT MT or I am planning to add a Targa 4S MT.
Problem solved.
I am one of those unsure about trading their 991.1 gt3 pdk for the next gt3. I have a manual porsche that i cannot even push to the limit.
If its not about track time, then why buy a GT car? You say i want to push the clutch, any car would do that?
Backroads-DD: my 997.1TT MT or I am planning to add a Targa 4S MT.
Problem solved.
I am one of those unsure about trading their 991.1 gt3 pdk for the next gt3. I have a manual porsche that i cannot even push to the limit.
If its not about track time, then why buy a GT car? You say i want to push the clutch, any car would do that?
Nope, not like a GT car. A GT car and a 997.1TT are different cars even on normal roads at semi reasonable speeds IMO. I understand the suspension, brakes, cockpit, etc. are all part of it, but so is the transmission.
For the hard core track guys timing laps etc., I totally get it. With everything else equal, I would not make the argument that manual is faster than PDKS. But for the occasional HPDE guy or for someone that doesn't track at all, at least offer the manual as an option. No one is talking about replacing the PDKS, just throwing a bone to those 20% or so that feel that a manual is more entertaining for the overall driving experience.
Who knows maybe my opinion will change as I get older. If I was stuck in traffic for hours on end (which I'm not), or if I was using the car primarily on track, I would more strongly consider the PDKS. I've driven DCT cars before, and even though it is faster and compliments the engines performance better, I tend to get a little bored after awhile. The DCT feels special when aggressively driving the car, but to me at more realistic speeds, the manual makes me feel a bit more involved all the time IMO. I'm sure another part of it for me is I missed the boat on the manual GT3, so I would like a shot at owning a new one with MT before they go away for good.
Another concern is which car would you rather own out of warranty. Adding PDK/DCT maintenance to all the other things that need fixing on these cars as they get older is something I think about.
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No PDK-S no GT3
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With PDK, you can focus more on your braking and corner entry, which is something we can forever strive to get better at. By contrast, we eventually get good enough at heel/toe on track that it becomes routine and is no longer a source of challenge and satisfaction. With PDK, you can also shift in places you wouldn't shift with a manual, which adds to the experience.
An added bonus - which is major on track - is that you can't overrev, so no blowing the engine, and no spinning due to locking up the rear tires.
Autoblip with manual offers some of what PDK does by taking away the need for heel/toe, but doesn't prevent overrev.
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#73
Instructor
Because if rumors are true, the 991.2 GT3 will be the only late model 911 readily available from Porsche that provides the buyer with the exhilarating NA sound and connection to the car with the ability to row gears. If that's what you're looking for, this is the only option. At that point this particular GT car would not be just about track time.
#74
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If it is already developed for the 911r, Porsche might as well have it as an option. It doesn't hurt them at all. There is obviously demand as you can see from the GT4. I would say 25-30 percent would opt for a manual. Give the customer both options! I will trade in my GT4 if it comes in manual, if not I am keeping the GT4.