MANUAL transmission enthusiasts: 991.2 GT3 manual, or GT3 RS PDK if forced to choose?
03-06-2016, 12:11 AM
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991 GT3 is meant for the track, using OEM tires. It happens be comfortable so you can go to/from the track without trailering. Given the car's speed and capability, PDK makes the most sense. Putting manual in the car would be like giving a sprinter shoes that don't fit well.
Manual makes more sense in the 997 and 996 GT3 because those cars were from another era - and they feel like it.
Manual makes more sense in the 997 and 996 GT3 because those cars were from another era - and they feel like it.
03-06-2016, 12:17 AM
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991 GT3 is meant for the track, using OEM tires. It happens be comfortable so you can go to/from the track without trailering. Given the car's speed and capability, PDK makes the most sense. Putting manual in the car would be like giving a sprinter shoes that don't fit well.
Manual makes more sense in the 997 and 996 GT3 because those cars were from another era - and they feel like it.
Manual makes more sense in the 997 and 996 GT3 because those cars were from another era - and they feel like it.
03-06-2016, 12:35 AM
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You and I see eye to eye on a lot of things, but not when it comes to the GT3 being a track car. I think the GT3, any variant, is more a super sports car than a track car. It's got cup holders, insulation, navigation, leather, a PDK (need the pneumatic sequential), etc. Just my opinion of course - I admit it's a bit strict but I've driven race cars and they are very hard to drive right and extremely 'twitchy.'
03-06-2016, 01:06 AM
#49
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It appears to me Porsche is sending a message and it bodes well for those who bought the GT3 RS. The RS is for the track- that, occasionally can be driven to Dairy Queen. The GT3 will become sort of a hybrid and be the gate way drug the the full track car experience. They should not put a manual in the RS; and I get it.
The Germans are marketing geniuses. Think hard about everything right now. From the GT4-GT3-RS. You build stepping stones and brand loyalty. There whole business was built upon this from the Carrera to the S to the Turbo ect.. They are building a similar structure on the GT-side. They also want a little of what Ferrari has and the last year and a half they proved they can be Ferrari by shorting the market on their marquee brand. Look at all of us. They are sitting back eating popcorn and loving this. But - we are loving it too because we will get the car each person wants - within reason
The Germans are marketing geniuses. Think hard about everything right now. From the GT4-GT3-RS. You build stepping stones and brand loyalty. There whole business was built upon this from the Carrera to the S to the Turbo ect.. They are building a similar structure on the GT-side. They also want a little of what Ferrari has and the last year and a half they proved they can be Ferrari by shorting the market on their marquee brand. Look at all of us. They are sitting back eating popcorn and loving this. But - we are loving it too because we will get the car each person wants - within reason
03-06-2016, 01:11 AM
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Subjective, but ludicrously inaccurate in my opinion. I just tracked my 991 RS for the first time and the car is incredibly capable and most importantly rewarding to drive on the track. The fact that it's a stock street car on street tires trumping race prepped vehicles is rather nuts. I agree in theory the car doesn't make a lot of sense, but in practice it's fantastic. I typically hate driving any street cars on a circuit.
Certainly not built for (though sadly often used for) cars and coffee. That's a people problem...not a manufacturer problem
Certainly not built for (though sadly often used for) cars and coffee. That's a people problem...not a manufacturer problem
03-06-2016, 01:43 AM
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For me sports car = manual, race car = self-shifter. If a manual GT3 really is on the way I'd want one without that rear wing.
03-06-2016, 01:52 AM
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A year or two back, I would have insisted on a manual. Since owning the 991 GT3 however, I would go for the PDK if I got the 991.2 GT3. The GT3 is targeted more towards daily driving and the RS is for track. The way traffic is building in all places I travel in, the PDK makes more sense given the auto mode.
Having said this, in the ideal world, I would have the RS for track days, a GT3 for day to day and the 911R for those special weekend mountain pass drives where traffic is not an issue.
Having said this, in the ideal world, I would have the RS for track days, a GT3 for day to day and the 911R for those special weekend mountain pass drives where traffic is not an issue.
03-06-2016, 01:57 AM
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Subjective, but ludicrously inaccurate in my opinion. I just tracked my 991 RS for the first time and the car is incredibly capable and most importantly rewarding to drive on the track. The fact that it's a stock street car on street tires trumping race prepped vehicles is rather nuts. I agree in theory the car doesn't make a lot of sense, but in practice it's fantastic. I typically hate driving any street cars on a circuit.
Certainly not built for (though sadly often used for) cars and coffee. That's a people problem...not a manufacturer problem
Certainly not built for (though sadly often used for) cars and coffee. That's a people problem...not a manufacturer problem
03-06-2016, 01:58 AM
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PDK s for RS
stick for GT4
stick for GT4
03-06-2016, 02:26 AM
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This is a silly question if you can afford both and the dealer is not marking up the cars. You have the space, money and allocations...spec and buy both. You do the right and you will have NO issue selling the RS, and a MT GT3 will not hang around either. Either car is great, but forced to chose it would have to be the RS.
03-06-2016, 02:27 AM
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I have a dct and a manual in the garage. Both are great in their own ways.
I think that a majority of 991.2 gt3 cars will still be pdk just because of how versatile it is. But this will make the manuals rarer and much more sought after.
When people are looking to buy a 991 gt3 in the future.. the manual, lwb, pccb 991.2 will be the hot ticket. I really can't see the 992 continuing to have a NA flat-6 and being competitive.
I think that a majority of 991.2 gt3 cars will still be pdk just because of how versatile it is. But this will make the manuals rarer and much more sought after.
When people are looking to buy a 991 gt3 in the future.. the manual, lwb, pccb 991.2 will be the hot ticket. I really can't see the 992 continuing to have a NA flat-6 and being competitive.
03-06-2016, 04:51 AM
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Subjective, but ludicrously inaccurate in my opinion. I just tracked my 991 RS for the first time and the car is incredibly capable and most importantly rewarding to drive on the track. The fact that it's a stock street car on street tires trumping race prepped vehicles is rather nuts. I agree in theory the car doesn't make a lot of sense, but in practice it's fantastic. I typically hate driving any street cars on a circuit. Certainly not built for (though sadly often used for) cars and coffee. That's a people problem...not a manufacturer problem
03-06-2016, 05:47 AM
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I make a distinction between street car vs track car vs race car.
A Camry is a street car. Comfortable on the street, and a capable driver won't attempt to track it unless he wants to see it malfunction. Simply not designed for the track. They generally don't come with R-comp tires.
The GT3 and RS are track cars. Comfortable enough on the road, and very rewarding to drive on track for a capable driver by simply upgrading the brake fluid (they should come with decent fluid in the first place) and maybe the brake pads. They're designed so that even a capable driver can hammer them on track all day, day after day, and they'll take it. They're faster than some race cars. Some track cars may be enjoyable to drive on the road at sane speeds, but some will be fairly boring at those speeds. Manufacturers may (and should) vouch for the cars being track cars by explicitly covering track use under the warranty.
Race cars aren't compromised for street use, and thus not street legal. Slicks, suspension too stiff for the road, real track seats, full cage, etc. Race cars may or may not be faster than the GT3 and RS, but some, like the 997 cup and 991 cup, are much faster.
I would say that the non-GT Porsche sports cars are close to being track cars rather than street cars, but tend to not be as rewarding and durable for track use as the GT cars, and so they're better suited for street use with only occasional track use. AP seems to have said as much about the R.
A Camry is a street car. Comfortable on the street, and a capable driver won't attempt to track it unless he wants to see it malfunction. Simply not designed for the track. They generally don't come with R-comp tires.
The GT3 and RS are track cars. Comfortable enough on the road, and very rewarding to drive on track for a capable driver by simply upgrading the brake fluid (they should come with decent fluid in the first place) and maybe the brake pads. They're designed so that even a capable driver can hammer them on track all day, day after day, and they'll take it. They're faster than some race cars. Some track cars may be enjoyable to drive on the road at sane speeds, but some will be fairly boring at those speeds. Manufacturers may (and should) vouch for the cars being track cars by explicitly covering track use under the warranty.
Race cars aren't compromised for street use, and thus not street legal. Slicks, suspension too stiff for the road, real track seats, full cage, etc. Race cars may or may not be faster than the GT3 and RS, but some, like the 997 cup and 991 cup, are much faster.
I would say that the non-GT Porsche sports cars are close to being track cars rather than street cars, but tend to not be as rewarding and durable for track use as the GT cars, and so they're better suited for street use with only occasional track use. AP seems to have said as much about the R.
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03-06-2016, 06:09 AM
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Except, that's not a very good way of collecting that data. As we already know (from some of the people above that like to hang out in the 991 forum), there are a lot of people who will vote for the manual on principle, but have no real intention of buying a car. That's why real numbers on something like the M4 are so telling. BMW enthusiasts are just as serious about "proper" transmissions, they have overwhelmingly spoken with their wallets.
i remember the fussing in the ///M fanbase - hopefully also MT available
and than hell yeah drivers car - i will buy MT - ,.....337 pcs M4 for sale at mobile.de (whole EU)
just 20 pcs with MT
thats 5,9%
maybe on a 991.2GT3+RS it would be 10% but not more.
if the 991R would be offered also with PDK - i could bet that maximum 20% would be equipped with MT.