How many 15-16 gt3's have engine replaced?
#1606
It appears only the 2014 GT3 had the statement about track warranty. Mine has it. So far nobody with a 2015 or 2016 has confirmed that wording. It appears it may only be with the original 785 cars.
#1607
Also there's more info on this thread :
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-warranty.html
#1608
Go back to page 106. There's 2 pics posted by squid42 comparing the language for 2014 cars with 2015 and on.
Also there's more info on this thread :
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-warranty.html
Also there's more info on this thread :
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-warranty.html
#1609
It's very nice that the things turned out ok for our colleague. But it is not good news for all of us.
I haven't spent thousands bucks for P cars in the last years. Does it mean they will not fix my car shall the problem occur (under the warranty)?
It shows Porsche attitude has changed and once our cars are out of warranty we will be left alone with the bill for possible engine fixes. 100% sure.
Talking about the Racing on a Circuit booklet... Does it have your car's VIN put there? Is there any reference in the warranty to that booklet? If not that mean this little paper means nothing. It is not part of the warranty.
I haven't spent thousands bucks for P cars in the last years. Does it mean they will not fix my car shall the problem occur (under the warranty)?
It shows Porsche attitude has changed and once our cars are out of warranty we will be left alone with the bill for possible engine fixes. 100% sure.
Talking about the Racing on a Circuit booklet... Does it have your car's VIN put there? Is there any reference in the warranty to that booklet? If not that mean this little paper means nothing. It is not part of the warranty.
#1610
It's very nice that the things turned out ok for our colleague. But it is not good news for all of us.
I haven't spent thousands bucks for P cars in the last years. Does it mean they will not fix my car shall the problem occur (under the warranty)?
It shows Porsche attitude has changed and once our cars are out of warranty we will be left alone with the bill for possible engine fixes. 100% sure.
Talking about the Racing on a Circuit booklet... Does it have your car's VIN put there? Is there any reference in the warranty to that booklet? If not that mean this little paper means nothing. It is not part of the warranty.
I haven't spent thousands bucks for P cars in the last years. Does it mean they will not fix my car shall the problem occur (under the warranty)?
It shows Porsche attitude has changed and once our cars are out of warranty we will be left alone with the bill for possible engine fixes. 100% sure.
Talking about the Racing on a Circuit booklet... Does it have your car's VIN put there? Is there any reference in the warranty to that booklet? If not that mean this little paper means nothing. It is not part of the warranty.
I agree its not a water tight document. My GT3 lives in a different country than I do but I will be visiting it next week and I will look at all teh documentation and photograph and post what I find here.
Regardless, this is an interesting diversion. I had never picked up on this point having an early production car from the original build. My track supplement indicates track work is covered unless the specific track maintenance schedule is not adhered to, and Ive been granted a warranty replacement engine without question when the CEL alert was on track.
I also distinctly remember the fact that the 991.1 GT3 was the first GT car sold by PAG which had track use included in its warranty provision. Im sure I have this on a press release or youtube clip (AP) in my files somewhere. To be fair, I am not a rich man and the 991 GT3 was a diversion from my old skool aircooled passion so this weighed significantly on me making the GT3 my primary track appliance (my 993 had handled those duties admirably till that time). I figured if big ticket items such as the PDK gearbox and/or engine should fail Id be covered at least for the first few years etc
#1611
Hindsight (history) is a wonderful thing!
here are a few screen shots from the 2013 USA press release I found will looking in my files.
Also I found again significant reference to the cars being warrantied for track use. I have linked to my drop box so you too can download the full 2014 991 GT3 "Service Information" Technical Introduction booklet from PAG (for the dealers sales people and service staff). Dated 09/13.
The 991.1 GT3 IMO was clearly intended to have a warranty that covered use on track as long as Track Maintenance Items were adhered to...
Have a good look at this. Many fascinating things we have learnt much about since. Also interesting I found more than one reference in old press packs to a special unique crankshaft for the GT3. The PET shows this part as being more expensive today than the 991 RS "space metal" crank. That's curious.
This was all written before 2014 "stop sale", replacement E & F valvetrain wear, subsequent G engine (improved heads, oiling etc) introduction and very recent May/June G+ DLC cams...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e28s1lpqnt...es_v2.pdf?dl=0
here are a few screen shots from the 2013 USA press release I found will looking in my files.
Also I found again significant reference to the cars being warrantied for track use. I have linked to my drop box so you too can download the full 2014 991 GT3 "Service Information" Technical Introduction booklet from PAG (for the dealers sales people and service staff). Dated 09/13.
The 991.1 GT3 IMO was clearly intended to have a warranty that covered use on track as long as Track Maintenance Items were adhered to...
Have a good look at this. Many fascinating things we have learnt much about since. Also interesting I found more than one reference in old press packs to a special unique crankshaft for the GT3. The PET shows this part as being more expensive today than the 991 RS "space metal" crank. That's curious.
This was all written before 2014 "stop sale", replacement E & F valvetrain wear, subsequent G engine (improved heads, oiling etc) introduction and very recent May/June G+ DLC cams...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e28s1lpqnt...es_v2.pdf?dl=0
#1612
Originally Posted by zedcat
My 9/14 build MY 2015 GT3 was not delivered with the Race Circuit booklet. I requested and received one from PCNA. It is copyright 2014 with a 10/14 notation and does not have the warranty
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Thanks!
#1613
918 and GT3/RS valve trains are the same. From the service info booklet: 918, "its design corresponds to the components of the GT3 engine". GT3 pix here. 918 pix in next post. Can't seem to upload two pix in one post.
#1615
Nice detective work Gled...
They do indeed "correspond". One assume they are of similar/same design (rockers). However the head design, oiling galleries etc may be different?
To your question regards if the 918 has suffered similar issues. Even if the parts were identical I suspect with 918 units worldwide and around 1/2 of those in the US given the use these cars have seen it would be unlikely the issue has surfaced, and should it have Id imagine its been quickly "swept" under the "warranty carpet". 918 owners arent overly well represented on global forums...
Interestingly your first picture is from the document i have just posted link to!
They do indeed "correspond". One assume they are of similar/same design (rockers). However the head design, oiling galleries etc may be different?
To your question regards if the 918 has suffered similar issues. Even if the parts were identical I suspect with 918 units worldwide and around 1/2 of those in the US given the use these cars have seen it would be unlikely the issue has surfaced, and should it have Id imagine its been quickly "swept" under the "warranty carpet". 918 owners arent overly well represented on global forums...
Interestingly your first picture is from the document i have just posted link to!
#1616
I called 1 (800) PORSCHE. They had records for me going back to the stop-sale. It took a couple of tries as they didn't have the part number or there was some confusion on it. The booklet is marked WKD 991 19 21 15 for MY2015. Hope that helps.
#1617
Originally Posted by zedcat
I called 1 (800) PORSCHE. They had records for me going back to the stop-sale. It took a couple of tries as they didn't have the part number or there was some confusion on it. The booklet is marked WKD 991 19 21 15 for MY2015. Hope that helps.
#1619
not that it is apples and apples, but one of my boats has yamaha F-350s on it. The flywheel/harmonic balancer has been proven to be a wear issue that needs replacement after so many hours (100) which is pretty easy to put on during fishing season. Yamaha has outright stated they will cover the cost to send out a mechanic and replace them, past the end of the warranty so long as the motor runs as good will. For this reason, I'll continue to buy yamaha. Porsche should take a note.
that's 3x motors, getting flywheels replaced every 100 hours, several times a year. I don't do anything other than make a phone call.
that's 3x motors, getting flywheels replaced every 100 hours, several times a year. I don't do anything other than make a phone call.
#1620