PCCB vs Steel - Apologies
07-08-2015, 08:43 PM
#106
Race Director
Been gone for awhile, saw the phone app was back.. Checking in with my buddies on gt3 forum. Someone posts a "steel vs pccb" thread, my eyes bug out as I realize it's not from 2014 or earlier but recent. I hesitantly click on the thread and yep, I see someone has dropped a small hand grenade in the form of a dead horse into the proceedings... Off to the dead horse races we go then...
Right out of the gate the dead horse #2 is tentatively going for a quiet pass, hoping to not disrupt proceeding and close everything down with a quick answer.. Haha, amateur!, another young-un, who is trying not to get bloodied in the mixup, trying not to take the bait slides quietly by with a simple retort.. Race over?.. Not quite. . By now the master dead horse racers, the heavy hitters with "the Knowledge" realize there is something of note happening, so they nonchalantly drop in and take the lead.. Tentatively at first as if they're above the fray but tHey JUST CANT RESIST dabbing their feet... Pros at this sort of thing, like Mike (who is definitely from California) and the orthopedic guy who knows so much about "steel vs pccb" that a whole sub-forum should be dedicated to him get involved.
They realize the race is with a bunch of newbies, dead horse peons at a poker game who couldn't see a setup if Paul Newman from the sting was staring right at the them.. The pros flex their muscles, the true dead horse race is on . The Pros start trading velvet gloved heavy metal punches while pretending to feel nothing but love for each other.. The newbies try to hold on, all of a sudden they realize they are vastly outclassed.. They start taking desperate lunges in the form of mindless repetition in CAPS.. "STEEL STEEL STEEL... PCCB PCCB PCCB"... it went from a simple troll thread to a war with nuclear weapons.. The Dead Horse Masters start dropping bunker bombs of knowledge, anorak minutiae like "shaved tires" and "worn pad weight" start falling.. Ferry Porsche himself is laughing in his grave at the sheer noise and nonsense...
Then someone quotes the classic "knowledgeable friend" and world war X breaks out as massive acronyms like "AP" and "WR" becoming unwitting allies supporting what has become an all out massacre of newbies in the form of tried old patterns of 0's and 1's ... There is no turning back, this thing is going the full 200 pages.. Records will fall, horses will die repeat repeat death deaths... Through the clouds of battle feeble words like "brake dust".. "Auto cross" ... "sudden total loss"... "resale value of options" will be bandied about like paper planes in gale force winds.. Only a full forum shutdown can save us now... or... an intervention by a brake rotor vendor who knows how to capitalize from the spoils of war by peddling his wares to the now mentally worn and confused participants.... yep.. it's a classic "steel vs pccb" thread... the word "My apology" in the title serving as a sad decoy which fooled no one... you knew EXACTLY what you were doing mr OP... and for that, I applaud you.
Oh look my phone battery died, I'll check in again in a few days.. May the deadest horse win, many veterans will be created over the next few days, many arthritic thumbs will emerge, many enraged spouses will walk by asking "is this really what marriage is about?" as their spouse furiously taps away at their screen ".... but but but... what about the additional weight of brake dust?... That should count for something shouldn't it?"...
love you guys, I'll be in touch when I move to a nice spot with a garage... Life without front axle lift isn't worth living is it? Is it?... GO!!!!
Right out of the gate the dead horse #2 is tentatively going for a quiet pass, hoping to not disrupt proceeding and close everything down with a quick answer.. Haha, amateur!, another young-un, who is trying not to get bloodied in the mixup, trying not to take the bait slides quietly by with a simple retort.. Race over?.. Not quite. . By now the master dead horse racers, the heavy hitters with "the Knowledge" realize there is something of note happening, so they nonchalantly drop in and take the lead.. Tentatively at first as if they're above the fray but tHey JUST CANT RESIST dabbing their feet... Pros at this sort of thing, like Mike (who is definitely from California) and the orthopedic guy who knows so much about "steel vs pccb" that a whole sub-forum should be dedicated to him get involved.
They realize the race is with a bunch of newbies, dead horse peons at a poker game who couldn't see a setup if Paul Newman from the sting was staring right at the them.. The pros flex their muscles, the true dead horse race is on . The Pros start trading velvet gloved heavy metal punches while pretending to feel nothing but love for each other.. The newbies try to hold on, all of a sudden they realize they are vastly outclassed.. They start taking desperate lunges in the form of mindless repetition in CAPS.. "STEEL STEEL STEEL... PCCB PCCB PCCB"... it went from a simple troll thread to a war with nuclear weapons.. The Dead Horse Masters start dropping bunker bombs of knowledge, anorak minutiae like "shaved tires" and "worn pad weight" start falling.. Ferry Porsche himself is laughing in his grave at the sheer noise and nonsense...
Then someone quotes the classic "knowledgeable friend" and world war X breaks out as massive acronyms like "AP" and "WR" becoming unwitting allies supporting what has become an all out massacre of newbies in the form of tried old patterns of 0's and 1's ... There is no turning back, this thing is going the full 200 pages.. Records will fall, horses will die repeat repeat death deaths... Through the clouds of battle feeble words like "brake dust".. "Auto cross" ... "sudden total loss"... "resale value of options" will be bandied about like paper planes in gale force winds.. Only a full forum shutdown can save us now... or... an intervention by a brake rotor vendor who knows how to capitalize from the spoils of war by peddling his wares to the now mentally worn and confused participants.... yep.. it's a classic "steel vs pccb" thread... the word "My apology" in the title serving as a sad decoy which fooled no one... you knew EXACTLY what you were doing mr OP... and for that, I applaud you.
Oh look my phone battery died, I'll check in again in a few days.. May the deadest horse win, many veterans will be created over the next few days, many arthritic thumbs will emerge, many enraged spouses will walk by asking "is this really what marriage is about?" as their spouse furiously taps away at their screen ".... but but but... what about the additional weight of brake dust?... That should count for something shouldn't it?"...
love you guys, I'll be in touch when I move to a nice spot with a garage... Life without front axle lift isn't worth living is it? Is it?... GO!!!!
07-08-2015, 09:02 PM
#107
Nordschleife Master
Been gone for awhile, saw the phone app was back.. Checking in with my buddies on gt3 forum. Someone posts a "steel vs pccb" thread, my eyes bug out as I realize it's not from 2014 or earlier but recent. I hesitantly click on the thread and yep, I see someone has dropped a small hand grenade in the form of a dead horse into the proceedings... Off to the dead horse races we go then...
Right out of the gate the dead horse #2 is tentatively going for a quiet pass, hoping to not disrupt proceeding and close everything down with a quick answer.. Haha, amateur!, another young-un, who is trying not to get bloodied in the mixup, trying not to take the bait slides quietly by with a simple retort.. Race over?.. Not quite. . By now the master dead horse racers, the heavy hitters with "the Knowledge" realize there is something of note happening, so they nonchalantly drop in and take the lead.. Tentatively at first as if they're above the fray but tHey JUST CANT RESIST dabbing their feet... Pros at this sort of thing, like Mike (who is definitely from California) and the orthopedic guy who knows so much about "steel vs pccb" that a whole sub-forum should be dedicated to him get involved.
They realize the race is with a bunch of newbies, dead horse peons at a poker game who couldn't see a setup if Paul Newman from the sting was staring right at the them.. The pros flex their muscles, the true dead horse race is on . The Pros start trading velvet gloved heavy metal punches while pretending to feel nothing but love for each other.. The newbies try to hold on, all of a sudden they realize they are vastly outclassed.. They start taking desperate lunges in the form of mindless repetition in CAPS.. "STEEL STEEL STEEL... PCCB PCCB PCCB"... it went from a simple troll thread to a war with nuclear weapons.. The Dead Horse Masters start dropping bunker bombs of knowledge, anorak minutiae like "shaved tires" and "worn pad weight" start falling.. Ferry Porsche himself is laughing in his grave at the sheer noise and nonsense...
Then someone quotes the classic "knowledgeable friend" and world war X breaks out as massive acronyms like "AP" and "WR" becoming unwitting allies supporting what has become an all out massacre of newbies in the form of tried old patterns of 0's and 1's ... There is no turning back, this thing is going the full 200 pages.. Records will fall, horses will die repeat repeat death deaths... Through the clouds of battle feeble words like "brake dust".. "Auto cross" ... "sudden total loss"... "resale value of options" will be bandied about like paper planes in gale force winds.. Only a full forum shutdown can save us now... or... an intervention by a brake rotor vendor who knows how to capitalize from the spoils of war by peddling his wares to the now mentally worn and confused participants.... yep.. it's a classic "steel vs pccb" thread... the word "My apology" in the title serving as a sad decoy which fooled no one... you knew EXACTLY what you were doing mr OP... and for that, I applaud you.
Oh look my phone battery died, I'll check in again in a few days.. May the deadest horse win, many veterans will be created over the next few days, many arthritic thumbs will emerge, many enraged spouses will walk by asking "is this really what marriage is about?" as their spouse furiously taps away at their screen ".... but but but... what about the additional weight of brake dust?... That should count for something shouldn't it?"...
love you guys, I'll be in touch when I move to a nice spot with a garage... Life without front axle lift isn't worth living is it? Is it?... GO!!!!
Right out of the gate the dead horse #2 is tentatively going for a quiet pass, hoping to not disrupt proceeding and close everything down with a quick answer.. Haha, amateur!, another young-un, who is trying not to get bloodied in the mixup, trying not to take the bait slides quietly by with a simple retort.. Race over?.. Not quite. . By now the master dead horse racers, the heavy hitters with "the Knowledge" realize there is something of note happening, so they nonchalantly drop in and take the lead.. Tentatively at first as if they're above the fray but tHey JUST CANT RESIST dabbing their feet... Pros at this sort of thing, like Mike (who is definitely from California) and the orthopedic guy who knows so much about "steel vs pccb" that a whole sub-forum should be dedicated to him get involved.
They realize the race is with a bunch of newbies, dead horse peons at a poker game who couldn't see a setup if Paul Newman from the sting was staring right at the them.. The pros flex their muscles, the true dead horse race is on . The Pros start trading velvet gloved heavy metal punches while pretending to feel nothing but love for each other.. The newbies try to hold on, all of a sudden they realize they are vastly outclassed.. They start taking desperate lunges in the form of mindless repetition in CAPS.. "STEEL STEEL STEEL... PCCB PCCB PCCB"... it went from a simple troll thread to a war with nuclear weapons.. The Dead Horse Masters start dropping bunker bombs of knowledge, anorak minutiae like "shaved tires" and "worn pad weight" start falling.. Ferry Porsche himself is laughing in his grave at the sheer noise and nonsense...
Then someone quotes the classic "knowledgeable friend" and world war X breaks out as massive acronyms like "AP" and "WR" becoming unwitting allies supporting what has become an all out massacre of newbies in the form of tried old patterns of 0's and 1's ... There is no turning back, this thing is going the full 200 pages.. Records will fall, horses will die repeat repeat death deaths... Through the clouds of battle feeble words like "brake dust".. "Auto cross" ... "sudden total loss"... "resale value of options" will be bandied about like paper planes in gale force winds.. Only a full forum shutdown can save us now... or... an intervention by a brake rotor vendor who knows how to capitalize from the spoils of war by peddling his wares to the now mentally worn and confused participants.... yep.. it's a classic "steel vs pccb" thread... the word "My apology" in the title serving as a sad decoy which fooled no one... you knew EXACTLY what you were doing mr OP... and for that, I applaud you.
Oh look my phone battery died, I'll check in again in a few days.. May the deadest horse win, many veterans will be created over the next few days, many arthritic thumbs will emerge, many enraged spouses will walk by asking "is this really what marriage is about?" as their spouse furiously taps away at their screen ".... but but but... what about the additional weight of brake dust?... That should count for something shouldn't it?"...
love you guys, I'll be in touch when I move to a nice spot with a garage... Life without front axle lift isn't worth living is it? Is it?... GO!!!!
Alex, what ever you say, tell me she hasn't left you. We miss you both.
07-09-2015, 12:34 AM
#108
You're right about the rust; forgot to mention that. After a wash, dirty/rusty water spins out of the vented cast iron rotors onto your nice clean wheels if you aren't very careful about rinsing and then drying them out which in itself is a minor but annoying and time consuming PITA. No such issues with PCCB's.
At our GT3 owner's tech session in Atlanta we were told that the latest Gen III ceramic brakes were much more durable than the previous model for all uses, including track. All relative, of course....
At our GT3 owner's tech session in Atlanta we were told that the latest Gen III ceramic brakes were much more durable than the previous model for all uses, including track. All relative, of course....
I just wax off the rubber marks is all??
07-09-2015, 12:40 AM
#109
Race Director
PCCB vs Steel - Apologies
Originally Posted by bronson7
Alex, what ever you say, tell me she hasn't left you. We miss you both.
Last edited by CAlexio; 07-09-2015 at 01:02 AM.
07-09-2015, 12:51 AM
#110
Race Director
07-09-2015, 02:52 PM
#111
Either the seller, or the purchaser as part of their PP! could agree to just have the PCCB rotors measured by a dealership, or anyone else with the required tool?
07-09-2015, 03:10 PM
#112
The bathroom scales at 3Zero3 claim I've dropped @ 12-13lbs off each front tire assembly (tire+rim) in the front, and @ 8-9lbs off the rear with Forgeline's 19" supposedly PCCB clearing rims; and I believe if one is sticking to 20" rims, the fancy OZ Superleggera forged rims on Tirerack's site claim a 5 to ?? lbs per rim advantage over the OEM, and the really, really pricey but awfully hot and sexy looking BBS "FI-R" pictured in the advert pg 7 of the latest September 2015 issue of Excellence may be even lighter still. As a most non-wear item, fit once, never have to replace again 40+ lbs savings.
YMMV, but that's another answer to the wheel weight arguments.
Whoops, not the "cheap" Ultraleggera's, but rather the more exotic OZ Superforgiata CenterLocks at @ $2,000+ per rim.
Last edited by mlpor; 07-09-2015 at 03:15 PM. Reason: wrong wheel reference
07-09-2015, 04:00 PM
#113
Race Director
Heck, if just removing 40+/- lbs of rotating, un-sprung weight is the goal, one can do that with a set of after-market wheels.
The bathroom scales at 3Zero3 claim I've dropped @ 12-13lbs off each front tire assembly (tire+rim) in the front, and @ 8-9lbs off the rear with Forgeline's 19" supposedly PCCB clearing rims; and I believe if one is sticking to 20" rims, the fancy OZ Superleggera forged rims on Tirerack's site claim a 5 to ?? lbs per rim advantage over the OEM, and the really, really pricey but awfully hot and sexy looking BBS "FI-R" pictured in the advert pg 7 of the latest September 2015 issue of Excellence may be even lighter still. As a most non-wear item, fit once, never have to replace again 40+ lbs savings.
YMMV, but that's another answer to the wheel weight arguments.
Whoops, not the "cheap" Ultraleggera's, but rather the more exotic OZ Superforgiata CenterLocks at @ $2,000+ per rim.
The bathroom scales at 3Zero3 claim I've dropped @ 12-13lbs off each front tire assembly (tire+rim) in the front, and @ 8-9lbs off the rear with Forgeline's 19" supposedly PCCB clearing rims; and I believe if one is sticking to 20" rims, the fancy OZ Superleggera forged rims on Tirerack's site claim a 5 to ?? lbs per rim advantage over the OEM, and the really, really pricey but awfully hot and sexy looking BBS "FI-R" pictured in the advert pg 7 of the latest September 2015 issue of Excellence may be even lighter still. As a most non-wear item, fit once, never have to replace again 40+ lbs savings.
YMMV, but that's another answer to the wheel weight arguments.
Whoops, not the "cheap" Ultraleggera's, but rather the more exotic OZ Superforgiata CenterLocks at @ $2,000+ per rim.
Last edited by Mike in CA; 07-09-2015 at 05:14 PM.
07-09-2015, 04:36 PM
#114
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
If you can afford the PCCBs (initial cost and possible replacement costs), get them.
If you can't afford the PCCBs, don't take up Internet bandwidth justifying why PCCBs are not worth the extra money.
#SMH
If you can't afford the PCCBs, don't take up Internet bandwidth justifying why PCCBs are not worth the extra money.
#SMH
07-09-2015, 06:26 PM
#115
Whether one wants to achieve weight loss with smaller diameter and exotic aftermarket wheels or lighter brakes is a matter of personal choice. There are advantages to going either way, and if it's in your budget you could do both. The point is, losing the weight is a benefit.
According to BBS-USA, the Front 9x20" are running @ 17.4 lbs each; & the rear 12x20's, @ 20.5 lbs. BBS didn't have figure for the OEM wheel weights.
07-09-2015, 06:42 PM
#116
For roughly about the $9,200 option cost of PCCB's, one could go steels, plus https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...-in-stock.html
According to BBS-USA, the Front 9x20" are running @ 17.4 lbs each; & the rear 12x20's, @ 20.5 lbs. BBS didn't have figure for the OEM wheel weights.
According to BBS-USA, the Front 9x20" are running @ 17.4 lbs each; & the rear 12x20's, @ 20.5 lbs. BBS didn't have figure for the OEM wheel weights.
07-09-2015, 10:44 PM
#117
Race Director
For roughly about the $9,200 option cost of PCCB's, one could go steels, plus https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...-in-stock.html
According to BBS-USA, the Front 9x20" are running @ 17.4 lbs each; & the rear 12x20's, @ 20.5 lbs. BBS didn't have figure for the OEM wheel weights.
According to BBS-USA, the Front 9x20" are running @ 17.4 lbs each; & the rear 12x20's, @ 20.5 lbs. BBS didn't have figure for the OEM wheel weights.
Like I said, there are advantages to lighter wheels and there are advantages to lighter brakes. The key word there is lighter.
07-10-2015, 08:19 AM
#118
Nothing, one has to hope, a really good waxing can't fix.
07-10-2015, 09:14 AM
#119
lol...this should have been post No. 2 and the thread should have closed at that point...
07-11-2015, 01:47 PM
#120
Rennlist Member
Been gone for awhile, saw the phone app was back.. Checking in with my buddies on gt3 forum. Someone posts a "steel vs pccb" thread, my eyes bug out as I realize it's not from 2014 or earlier but recent. I hesitantly click on the thread and yep, I see someone has dropped a small hand grenade in the form of a dead horse into the proceedings... Off to the dead horse races we go then...
Right out of the gate the dead horse #2 is tentatively going for a quiet pass, hoping to not disrupt proceeding and close everything down with a quick answer.. Haha, amateur!, another young-un, who is trying not to get bloodied in the mixup, trying not to take the bait slides quietly by with a simple retort.. Race over?.. Not quite. . By now the master dead horse racers, the heavy hitters with "the Knowledge" realize there is something of note happening, so they nonchalantly drop in and take the lead.. Tentatively at first as if they're above the fray but tHey JUST CANT RESIST dabbing their feet... Pros at this sort of thing, like Mike (who is definitely from California) and the orthopedic guy who knows so much about "steel vs pccb" that a whole sub-forum should be dedicated to him get involved.
They realize the race is with a bunch of newbies, dead horse peons at a poker game who couldn't see a setup if Paul Newman from the sting was staring right at the them.. The pros flex their muscles, the true dead horse race is on . The Pros start trading velvet gloved heavy metal punches while pretending to feel nothing but love for each other.. The newbies try to hold on, all of a sudden they realize they are vastly outclassed.. They start taking desperate lunges in the form of mindless repetition in CAPS.. "STEEL STEEL STEEL... PCCB PCCB PCCB"... it went from a simple troll thread to a war with nuclear weapons.. The Dead Horse Masters start dropping bunker bombs of knowledge, anorak minutiae like "shaved tires" and "worn pad weight" start falling.. Ferry Porsche himself is laughing in his grave at the sheer noise and nonsense...
Then someone quotes the classic "knowledgeable friend" and world war X breaks out as massive acronyms like "AP" and "WR" becoming unwitting allies supporting what has become an all out massacre of newbies in the form of tried old patterns of 0's and 1's ... There is no turning back, this thing is going the full 200 pages.. Records will fall, horses will die repeat repeat death deaths... Through the clouds of battle feeble words like "brake dust".. "Auto cross" ... "sudden total loss"... "resale value of options" will be bandied about like paper planes in gale force winds.. Only a full forum shutdown can save us now... or... an intervention by a brake rotor vendor who knows how to capitalize from the spoils of war by peddling his wares to the now mentally worn and confused participants.... yep.. it's a classic "steel vs pccb" thread... the word "My apology" in the title serving as a sad decoy which fooled no one... you knew EXACTLY what you were doing mr OP... and for that, I applaud you.
Oh look my phone battery died, I'll check in again in a few days.. May the deadest horse win, many veterans will be created over the next few days, many arthritic thumbs will emerge, many enraged spouses will walk by asking "is this really what marriage is about?" as their spouse furiously taps away at their screen ".... but but but... what about the additional weight of brake dust?... That should count for something shouldn't it?"...
love you guys, I'll be in touch when I move to a nice spot with a garage... Life without front axle lift isn't worth living is it? Is it?... GO!!!!
Right out of the gate the dead horse #2 is tentatively going for a quiet pass, hoping to not disrupt proceeding and close everything down with a quick answer.. Haha, amateur!, another young-un, who is trying not to get bloodied in the mixup, trying not to take the bait slides quietly by with a simple retort.. Race over?.. Not quite. . By now the master dead horse racers, the heavy hitters with "the Knowledge" realize there is something of note happening, so they nonchalantly drop in and take the lead.. Tentatively at first as if they're above the fray but tHey JUST CANT RESIST dabbing their feet... Pros at this sort of thing, like Mike (who is definitely from California) and the orthopedic guy who knows so much about "steel vs pccb" that a whole sub-forum should be dedicated to him get involved.
They realize the race is with a bunch of newbies, dead horse peons at a poker game who couldn't see a setup if Paul Newman from the sting was staring right at the them.. The pros flex their muscles, the true dead horse race is on . The Pros start trading velvet gloved heavy metal punches while pretending to feel nothing but love for each other.. The newbies try to hold on, all of a sudden they realize they are vastly outclassed.. They start taking desperate lunges in the form of mindless repetition in CAPS.. "STEEL STEEL STEEL... PCCB PCCB PCCB"... it went from a simple troll thread to a war with nuclear weapons.. The Dead Horse Masters start dropping bunker bombs of knowledge, anorak minutiae like "shaved tires" and "worn pad weight" start falling.. Ferry Porsche himself is laughing in his grave at the sheer noise and nonsense...
Then someone quotes the classic "knowledgeable friend" and world war X breaks out as massive acronyms like "AP" and "WR" becoming unwitting allies supporting what has become an all out massacre of newbies in the form of tried old patterns of 0's and 1's ... There is no turning back, this thing is going the full 200 pages.. Records will fall, horses will die repeat repeat death deaths... Through the clouds of battle feeble words like "brake dust".. "Auto cross" ... "sudden total loss"... "resale value of options" will be bandied about like paper planes in gale force winds.. Only a full forum shutdown can save us now... or... an intervention by a brake rotor vendor who knows how to capitalize from the spoils of war by peddling his wares to the now mentally worn and confused participants.... yep.. it's a classic "steel vs pccb" thread... the word "My apology" in the title serving as a sad decoy which fooled no one... you knew EXACTLY what you were doing mr OP... and for that, I applaud you.
Oh look my phone battery died, I'll check in again in a few days.. May the deadest horse win, many veterans will be created over the next few days, many arthritic thumbs will emerge, many enraged spouses will walk by asking "is this really what marriage is about?" as their spouse furiously taps away at their screen ".... but but but... what about the additional weight of brake dust?... That should count for something shouldn't it?"...
love you guys, I'll be in touch when I move to a nice spot with a garage... Life without front axle lift isn't worth living is it? Is it?... GO!!!!
