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Yeah, but that’s just your own personal preference. Other people, myself included, would like to recreate a ‘73-‘74 911 Carrera RS/Touring looks with the aluminum trim and non-metallic colors. The thing is that it’s something that has not been seen in a long time. But the GT3 Touring will look amazing in signal yellow, arrow blue, viper green, or any other non-metallic PTS color with the aluminum trim. No need to play it safe and boring.
Order and buy what you like. Go with your instinct.
All just IMO. Were you thinking of adding the ducktail wing to complete the 73 RS look?
Were you thinking of adding the ducktail wing to complete the 73 RS look?
Cosmetic is one thing, but I wouldn’t mess with the design/engineering/functionality of how the car comes from factory, so no ducktail. While it might look nice, it would probably affect the handling and downforce negatively.
Yeah, but that’s just your own personal preference.
Other people, myself included, would like to recreate
a ‘73-‘74 911 Carrera RS/Touring looks with the aluminum
trim and non-metallic colors. The thing is that it’s something
that has not been seen in a long time. But the GT3 Touring
will look amazing in signal yellow, arrow blue, viper green,
or any other non-metallic PTS color with the aluminum trim.
No need to play it safe and boring...Order and buy what
you like. Go with your instinct.
Well...I couldn't have said it better! Thank you sir!
I am reposting this here from the 991 forum since it's relevant to the topic of this thread!
Originally Posted by 96redLT4
Hi Eduardo,
How does the PTS program actually work?? I know they open up 'windows' with each model.
I am interested in a GT3T in signal yellow, an approved color. Obviously you have to get the
allocation for the car, and for me would that have to coincide with the PTS 'window' being open?
All this for the privilege of paying, I think it is $12K for the GT3. Also does Porsche keep all of
the approved PTS colors in their paint store-you just have to tell them the code? Thanks in
advance to you (or anyone else) for the info!
Jim
Originally Posted by Z356
Jim:
It works in weird ways...and this year it got
even more strange re: how PTS was handled
for the .2 991 gt3 in the US market! Normally
PAG lets PCNA & dealers know when the PTS
window opens for each model where that option
is offered.
Due in large part because of the information we
all here at Rennlist have disseminated re: PTS
(which is now being monitored in all Porsche
markets across the globe on this forum), PTS
is in greater demand than its supply at PAG for
its more desirable gt models & Boxster Spyder.
On July 18th, 2017 we reported a new request
system that PCNA appeared to be using to allow
its US customers already with gt3 allocations
to request PTS for it & wait for PAG to approve it!
Soon my friend Andre (Montoya) started a thread
on the 991 gt3 forum to record & monitor those
waiting for PTS on their gt3 allocations. You can
read the long & tedious history of how this all is
turning out at the link below!
PTS today at PAG for its sport cars:
$12,830 for gt2RS
$12,830 for gt3
$6,960 for other 991 models
$5,500 for 718
No. Once a PTS custom order is approved,
confirmed & locked (status like V215 & above),
PAG orders that particular paint from one of
at least three automotive paint suppliers &
ask them to send it (when they get to it since
there is a minimum 3 month lag time between
status lock date & build date) to the paint shop
(e.g. Zuffenhausen in regards the gt3) & to each
of the subcontractor that might be painting a
particular part for this Porsche! All parts of the
puzzle - PTS painted chassis from the paint shop
& PTS painted parts from subcontractors - will
arrive at the Werk II assembly line on the target
build date in a complicated logistic 'ballet' called
at PAG 'Just-in-Time' & 'Just-in-Sequence'.
Then voila...your PTS Porsche gets assembled
& built!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
Originally Posted by 96redLT4
Very informative, as always Eduardo. Thank you.
So I guess I can assume that is available for the GT3 as it is listed on the options/build
it yourself page. One just has to get an allocation for the car then probably wait awhile
longer for the PTS to be approved. I'm just sitting here scratching my head wondering
why it costs $5500 to paint a 718 and $12800 to paint a GT3! Merry Christmas.
J
Originally Posted by Z356
You are welcome, Jim!
The fact is it cost them almost nothing to switch
from a standard 'White' to a PTS 'Signal Green'
as a 718 Boxster, a Carrera S, a gt3 or a gt2 RS
rolls as a raw metal chassis through the new paint
shop at Zuffenhausen on their way to the Werk II
assembly building!
The cleaning of the nozzles & the switch to a new,
different paint color takes literally seconds! So as I
learned at The Wharton School in my youth, pricing
is not necessarily tied always to what it cost someone
to produce it in our free-market economy!
There are paints that do cost more to produce &
justify a higher premium for the option...although
we could debate if it's worth it or justified.
*
The new 'Saffron Yellow Metallic' option on a
911 Turbo & S is priced at $11,580. It's a multi-
layer paint process that requires additional sanding
in between coats, so there is a more expensive
manual labor component that is involved.
*
On some limited editions, like the '18 911 Turbo S 'Exclusive Series' Edition,
a carbon fibre hood (for example) is painted in a special way to allow part of
the carbon fibre to show. Same for the roof, rear deck lid, etc. That is a super
complicated procedure that involves a ton of manual labor...so you can see
why it would cost more!
In case you are curious, the unique paint for this Limited Edition
is called 'Golden Yellow Metallic' & the LE was priced at $257.5K!
*
Some special paint jobs are so specialized & expensive to
produce that PAG out-sources them to other paint shops
with a special type of expertise - plus it doesn't clog up their
automated new paint shop that is not set up for this kind of
specialized job. That is the case of the new 'Chromaflair'
option that is limited to 5 Turbos per year!
Price of this option? $97K large ones! Then you need
to pay for the actual 991 Turbo S that is found underneath
that $97K fancy paint! This unusual color is called
'Python Green'.
Happy Christmas Eve,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
Originally Posted by 96redLT4
The Porsche paint shop has some outstanding looking, and I'm sure skilled craftspeople
in its employ! Its funny how they make it so elusive to swap the nozzle and attach to a new
can of paint. It looks like you have had quite the palate of PTS Porsche cars in your past
Eduardo! What are your thoughts about signal yellow? It fascinates, and seems to be growing
on me day by day, maybe because it looks more orange/tangerine than yellow? It seems like
such a grand old Porsche color and arguably less common than the blues/greens/reds. Cheers!
Jim
'Signal Yellow' is one of my all-time favorite hues in Porsche color history. I owned a factory
original 'Signal Yellow' 1973 911T Sunroof & it was simply a stunning color! Indeed it has an
orange flow to it!
Interestingly, it was one of the first VIN numbers for MY1973, having been built
on the first day of production for that model year. For MY1973, that was early
in July of 1972!
***
It's not by accident that PAG chose 'Signal Orange' as the PTS .2 991 gt3 it allow the public to see.
***
And in a world of automotive color paints that are bland, unexciting & often depressing
to see, a 'Signal Yellow' 911 radiates warmth & beauty like a sphere of hot plasma in an
otherwise dark/cold cosmos!
I am reposting this here from the 991 forum since it's relevant to the topic of this thread!
'Signal Yellow' is one of my all-time favorite hues in Porsche color history. I owned a factory
original 'Signal Yellow' 1973 911T Sunroof & it was simply a stunning color! Indeed it has an
orange flow to it!
Interestingly, it was one of the first VIN numbers for MY1973, having been built
on the first day of production for that model year. For MY1973, that was early
in July of 1972!
***
It's not by accident that PAG chose 'Signal Orange' as the PTS .2 991 gt3 it allow the public to see.
***
And in a world of automotive color paints that are bland, unexciting & often depressing
to see, a 'Signal Yellow' 911 radiates warmth & beauty like a sphere of hot plasma in an
otherwise dark/cold cosmos!
Merry Christmas to everyone at Rennlist!
Saludos,
Eduardo
In sunny Scottsdale
Great post. Makes me want it even more. It may be one of the only GT3T in this bold color! Merry Christmas!
Eduardo--Does this one count as PTS?
Can't quite tell if it's salmony or pink.
Couldn't resist.
Yes it counts! A 'Pink' VW Beetle is the car given to unsuccessful Mary Kay consultants.
The successful ones get brand new GM Cadillacs in...'Pink' of course! At the moment,
GM buys 'Pink' paint in bulk truck containers from PPG each year just to satisfy production
of Mary Kay's luxury crossover SUVs in that delicious PTS hue!
The finish product are then given out each year during a sales conference
to the lucky recipients at corporate headquarters in...where else, Texas!
***
So Doug, helpmehelpu get into one of these 'Pink' beauties!
I know you want one!
Yes it counts! A 'Pink' VW Beetle is the car given to unsuccessful Mary Kay consultants.
The successful ones get brand new GM Cadillacs in...'Pink' of course! At the moment,
GM buys 'Pink' paint in bulk truck containers from PPG each year just to satisfy production
of Mary Kay's luxury crossover SUVs in that delicious PTS hue!
***
So Doug, helpmehelpu get into one of these 'Pink' beauties!
I know you want one!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
You have the absolutely most dedicated and best humor on all of RL! ...I guess I'll just have to sell more MKC!
One more part to the puzzle as how PAG negotiated PTS, or the lack of it, on the .2 991
gt3 for the UK market. Compare to Australia (5 PTS reported), Canada (25 or so PTS)
and the US (still counting!). We will come back to these reports & try to make sense of
how/what PAG did differently re: PTS on the .2 991 gt3 (from previous history of handling
PTS) when we (hopefully) learn final PTS numbers for this current gt3 model in all markets!
Originally Posted by ISUK
Eduardo, I was told that Porsche GB made a deal with the factory to forego PTS on the
991.2 GT3 in return for securing a larger production allocation. PTS is also not available
for PTS here due to the limited production window for that model. Apparently the factory
is ceasing production for several months and the reason I was given was that the entire
petrol engine range is going through an emissions re-certification process. Just to add
further mystery I was advised that PTS may be withdrawn as an option as it is causing
too many production delay issues. This seems strange after your informative posts above
showing how relatively easy it is for the new paint shop to accommodate PTS.
Thank you ISUK. Very interesting information you are providing us from the UK.
In case folks don't know/remember ISUK in this forum, this gentleman is a known
collector in Britain of German & Italian sport cars with a particular taste for PTS!
In addition, he figured out how the Targa top on the 991 was going to mechanically
work before PAG announced its particulars!
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