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I am on a 'Sabbatical' from Rennlist. But let me interrupt that by
telling you that 'Zanzibar Red', color code 1A9, is on the approved
list for 991/718. The name for the color in the German language
is 'Orangerotpericolor' so it's not listed under the letter Z on the
official PAG approved list:
Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail Valley, CO
Thanks, Eduardo, for your sabbatically fast response, that's encouraging! Now I am still waiting for my local Porsche to confirm when the PTS window is going to open here. Seems to be different from country to country.
I am on a 'Sabbatical' from Rennlist. But let me interrupt that by
telling you that 'Zanzibar Red', color code 1A9, is on the approved
list for 991/718. The name for the color in the German language
is 'Orangerotpericolor' so it's not listed under the letter Z on the
official PAG approved list:
Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail Valley, CO
Dear Eduardo,
Hope you are enjoying your sabbitacal leave
I sent you a message earlier this month. I got very lucky with a PTS allocation in Australia. There are only 5 and i got one. This is my first PTS porsche. I have owned a lot of porsches over the last 10 years but all black and white. I currenly have a white 991 Carrera S and jet black metalic Cayenne GTS. Could you help me please recommending a PTS colour?
I have alawys been keen on blues, initialy made my mind on Miami blue but every one on rennelist put me off then decided Guards red. Now with the PTS allocation i could do blue
What do you think of Riveira, mexico, Voodood and Oslo blue ?
I am reading a lot of comments that Riveira is washed out? I have never seen any of those colours in real life but my local dealer got me samples.
Could you please help? it got even more difficult deciding with PTS
Dear Eduardo,
I sent you a message earlier this month.
I can't find the message you sent me earlier. It's not
in my PM's received. Perhaps you sent me an email,
of which I receive many from Rennlist readers each
month. To give you an idea of the work involved, my
Rennlist 'inbox' now totals 1414 messages received
since I started these PTS & Custom Ordering threads
in 2012.
And answering these messages take a lot of time &
effort, especially if you are trying to provide accurate
& verifiable information to our forum!
Here is the problem. I have come to dislike a few
individuals here on Rennlist that perhaps unwittingly,
yet forcefully & w. a sense of false entitlement &
pompous haughtiness, misrepresent information to
the forum because they simply are often unable to
comprehend what is told to them at 918 VIP events.
There is an old saying that 'All that glitters is not
gold'. And this could well apply to these individuals.
Having the wealth to purchase a 918 does not necessarily
translate into having wisdom, common sense or what is
learned from a lifetime of experiences with the Porsche
brand & its many models! So caveat emptor.
Originally Posted by OG911
Hope you are enjoying your sabbitacal leave
I am hoping to continue enjoying my 'sabbatical'.
But for that I need the help & cooperation of many
of you here at Rennlist. I please ask you to direct
all questions to the two individuals I mentioned in
post #3130. Let's give them an opportunity to help
the readers of our forums by answering your important
questions & dealing with your ordering concerns!
Originally Posted by OG911
Could you help me please recommending a PTS colour?
...I have alawys been keen on blues, initialy made my
mind on Miami blue but every one on rennelist put me
off then decided Guards red. Now with the PTS allocation
i could do blue. What do you think of Riveira, mexico,
Voodood and Oslo blue ? I am reading a lot of comments
that Riveira is washed out? I have never seen any of those
colours in real life but my local dealer got me samples.
Color selection for any custom Porsche order is a very
personal thing!
But since you asked, I don't care much for 'Voodoo'. Of
the other three you mentioned, I like 'Riviera', 'Mexico'
& 'Olso' in that order. You can't go wrong with either
'Riviera' or 'Mexico'. They are perhaps the two most
requested PTS colors at PAG...and there is a reason
for that! 'Mexico' has a longer history with Porsche than
'Riviera'. But each is stunning, with 'Riviera' slightly
lighter than 'Mexico' but equally as beautiful. I have
not heard a serious complaint from someone whose
judgement I trust that says 'Riviera' looks 'washed out'!
So trust your own eyes, not a stranger's (including me)!
'Oslo' is the oldest hue at Porsche on your list. It dates
back from the 356 B period of early 1960's. I do prefer
'Riviera' or 'Mexico' to 'Oslo' by a wide margin, but that
is just me. My favorite lighter blue hue is 'Crystal Blue'
like the one in my 1970 911E Targa (see avatar), but
that color is not approved for PTS! The other blue hue
that is approved & that I find stunningly beautiful is
'Maritime'. It's vintage...but of more recent provenance.
But you have to like a bit of a 'violet' tint in it to enjoy
that color! And it changes tone as different light hits it,
from sun in the outdoors to artificial light in your garage!
I love it!
Originally Posted by OG911
I got very lucky with a PTS allocation in Australia. There
are only 5 and i got one.
I must tell you that your statement surprises me. I have
read your 'GT3 PTS Allocation for October build' at our
forum & it still doesn't make any sense to me. To my
knowledge, the folks at Zuffenhausen that decide the
number of PTS slots for any given gt model at Porsche
have not announced yet the numbers allocated to the
.2 991 gt3. Thus I find hard to believe that Porsche
Australia has already been told they will only get five
PTS .2 991 gt3 slots.
It could be that Porsche Australia has an understanding
with PAG that they'll only receive five PTS for each gt
model & that was agreed-upon years in advance. I am
sure that PAG will accommodate such a modest request
if that is ALL that Porsche Australia was willing to negotiate
for. But I do not believe any other active Porsche gt market
- US or Europe - has such a limit negotiated by the importer
(e.g. PCNA here in the US) in advance.
We really do not know how many PTS slots they'll make
available to us this Fall. In the case of the .1 991 gt3, we
got relatively few due to many factors, including the 'stop
sale' & then the moratorium on PTS in MY2015 while the
factory sorted out some quality control issues. There were
no PTS in MY2016 991 gt3s, for example! PAG allowed a
greater number of PTS .1 991 gt3 RS once those QC issues
were resolved.
But we saw the arbitrary nature of the PTS selection process
recently in the case of the 911R. Since Porsche mostly hand-
picked those individuals receiving one of the 991 units in this
numbered & Limited Edition model, you can say most of these
customers were VIP of some sort or another! Yet even for this
elite bunch of customers PAG severely limited the number of
PTS slots - to between 50 & 100, depending on whose #s you
believe! That is a very low of PTS for this important model
in light of the high demand for PTS from this well-connected
group of influencial customers!
But the bottom line is this, OG911: If indeed you only get five
PTS slots for the .2 991 gt3 in your beautiful & vast continent,
make it count! Make Australia proud with your daring & bold
PTS color selection for the .2 991 gt3!
I can't find the message you sent me earlier. It's not
in my PM's received. Perhaps you sent me an email,
of which I receive many from Rennlist readers each
month. To give you an idea of the work involved, my
Rennlist 'inbox' now totals 1414 messages received
since I started these PTS & Custom Ordering threads
in 2012.
And answering these messages take a lot of time &
effort, especially if you are trying to provide accurate
& verifiable information to our forum!
Here is the problem. I have come to dislike a few
individuals here on Rennlist that perhaps unwittingly,
yet forcefully & w. a sense of false entitlement &
pompous haughtiness, misrepresent information to
the forum because they simply are often unable to
comprehend what is told to them at 918 VIP events.
There is an old saying that 'All that glitters is not
gold'. And this could well apply to these individuals.
Having the wealth to purchase a 918 does not necessarily
translate into having wisdom, common sense or what is
learned from a lifetime of experiences with the Porsche
brand & its many models! So caveat emptor.
I am hoping to continue enjoying my 'sabbatical'.
But for that I need the help & cooperation of many
of you here at Rennlist. I please ask you to direct
all questions to the two individuals I mentioned in
post #3130. Let's give them an opportunity to help
the readers of our forums by answering your important
questions & dealing with your ordering concerns!
Color selection for any custom Porsche order is a very
personal thing!
But since you asked, I don't care much for 'Voodoo'. Of
the other three you mentioned, I like 'Riviera', 'Mexico'
& 'Olso' in that order. You can't go wrong with either
'Riviera' or 'Mexico'. They are perhaps the two most
requested PTS colors at PAG...and there is a reason
for that! 'Mexico' has a longer history with Porsche than
'Riviera'. But each is stunning, with 'Riviera' slightly
lighter than 'Mexico' but equally as beautiful. I have
not heard a serious complaint from someone whose
judgement I trust that says 'Riviera' looks 'washed out'!
So trust your own eyes, not a stranger's (including me)!
'Oslo' is the oldest hue at Porsche on your list. It dates
back from the 356 B period of early 1960's. I do prefer
'Riviera' or 'Mexico' to 'Oslo' by a wide margin, but that
is just me. My favorite lighter blue hue is 'Crystal Blue'
like the one in my 1970 911E Targa (see avatar), but
that color is not approved for PTS! The other blue hue
that is approved & that I find stunningly beautiful is
'Maritime'. It's vintage...but of more recent provenance.
But you have to like a bit of a 'violet' tint in it to enjoy
that color! And it changes tone as different light hits it,
from sun in the outdoors to artificial light in your garage!
I love it!
I must tell you that your statement surprises me. I have
read your 'GT3 PTS Allocation for October build' at our
forum & it still doesn't make any sense to me. To my
knowledge, the folks at Zuffenhausen that decide the
number of PTS slots for any given gt model at Porsche
have not announced yet the numbers allocated to the
.2 991 gt3. Thus I find hard to believe that Porsche
Australia has already been told they will only get five
PTS .2 991 gt3 slots.
It could be that Porsche Australia has an understanding
with PAG that they'll only receive five PTS for each gt
model & that was agreed-upon years in advance. I am
sure that PAG will accommodate such a modest request
if that is ALL that Porsche Australia was willing to negotiate
for. But I do not believe any other active Porsche gt market
- US or Europe - has such a limit negotiated by the importer
(e.g. PCNA here in the US) in advance.
We really do not know how many PTS slots they'll make
available to us this Fall. In the case of the .1 991 gt3, we
got relatively few due to many factors, including the 'stop
sale' & then the moratorium on PTS in MY2015 while the
factory sorted out some quality control issues. There were
no PTS in MY2016 991 gt3s, for example! PAG allowed a
greater number of PTS .1 991 gt3 RS once those QC issues
were resolved.
But we saw the arbitrary nature of the PTS selection process
recently in the case of the 911R. Since Porsche mostly hand-
picked those individuals receiving one of the 991 units in this
numbered & Limited Edition model, you can say most of these
customers were VIP of some sort or another! Yet even for this
elite bunch of customers PAG severely limited the number of
PTS slots - to between 50 & 100, depending on whose #s you
believe! That is a very low of PTS for this important model
in light of the high demand for PTS from this well-connected
group of influencial customers!
But the bottom line is this, OG911: If indeed you only get five
PTS slots for the .2 991 gt3 in your beautiful & vast continent,
make it count! Make Australia proud with your daring & bold
PTS color selection for the .2 991 gt3!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Currently in Vail Valley, Colorado
Eduardo,
I am Speechless. Thank you so much for your time getting back to me with this wonderful explanation. I am going to do Riviera. The info i gave you about PTS in Australia is communicated to me by my local dealer and i confirmed PTS with him.
Last Question! what do you think will go well with riviera blue? silver stitching interior with silver seat belt or red stitching interior with red seat belts? I am doing steel red brakes. Black satin wheels and Black LEDS. Thank you again for your time
I hope you enjoyed the attached version
of 'Waltzing Matilda'! What a song & what
a delivery by this talented group of musicians
(John Schumann, Wendy Matthews & Brian
Cadd) at Australia Day 2009 Concert in
Parliament House in Canberra!
Originally Posted by OG911
Thank you so much for your time getting
back to me with this wonderful explanation.
My pleasure!
Originally Posted by OG911
I am going to do Riviera...Last Question!
what do you think will go well with riviera
blue? silver stitching interior with silver seat
belt or red stitching interior with red seat belts?
I am doing steel red brakes. Black satin wheels
and Black LEDS.
My vote is for 'GT Silver' deviated stitching &
'GT Silver' seat belts.
Remember also that PAG will allow more deviated
stitching color options on the .2 991 gt3 soon!
Rennlisters 'Lapis' & 'Nick' have been diligent in
reporting this news to the forums for some time
& should be congratulated for bringing news of
these new options to our forum! Unfortunately,
we did not have 'Porsche Exclusive' allow us these
deviated interior options in previous gt models...
except those done for a few VIP's!
I hope you enjoyed the attached version
of 'Waltzing Matilda'! What a song & what
a delivery by this talented group of musicians
(John Schumann, Wendy Matthews & Brian
Cadd) at Australia Day 2009 Concert in
Parliament House in Canberra!
My pleasure!
My vote is for 'GT Silver' deviated stitching &
'GT Silver' seat belts.
Remember also that PAG will allow more deviated
stitching color options on the .2 991 gt3 soon!
Rennlisters 'Lapis' & 'Nick' have been diligent in
reporting this news to the forums for some time
& should be congratulated for bringing news of
these new options to our forum! Unfortunately,
we did not have 'Porsche Exclusive' allow us these
deviated interior options in previous gt models...
except those done for a few VIP's!
Please keep us posted to what happens in Australia re:
this topic. We hopefully will see the PTS window open
for Porsche world markets in the Fall.
Now you have alternative folks to bother...so it's all good!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail Valley, CO
Hello Eduardo
It's a pleasure reading your PTS descriptions. The blues are especially well represented in the Porsche lineup. May I have your thoughts on Golf Blue / Arrow Blue / Maritime and Iris Blue? Is there a particular lighter blue you're very keen on?
I came across this picture of a maritime blue Porsche but the colour usually seems to differ quite a bit from this shade... what colour would represent this shade more often?
Second question: My other favourite colours are black, carmine red and pts jet green metallic. Are there any special PTS versions of rich reds (like Carmine) and special PTS blacks? How do you like jet green metallic?
Looking forwars to hearing your thoughts and I'll hopefully be able to give back with real PTS examples in a few years time
Hello Eduardo
It's a pleasure reading your PTS descriptions.
Thank you. But give those other two guys at Rennlist a
try! They may surprise you!
***
Originally Posted by SwissArtPrints
The blues are especially well represented in the Porsche lineup.
May I have your thoughts on Golf Blue / Arrow Blue / Maritime
and Iris Blue?
1) See my comments on 'Arrow' below.
2) I love 'Maritime' as you read from my comment to 911OG.
If I were to order a PTS today in a blue, 'Maritime' would be it!
3) 'Iris' does nothing for me...but it's all so personal.
4)'Golf Blue' I find interesting. I posted the following on it today
at another thread on this gt3 forum:
Here is a "Golf blue" (W91) RS that just arrived to my local dealer.
The interesting thing about this car is that the client ordered
"Gulf blue", but just a couple of weeks ago the SA was informed
that the car was painted "Golf blue". He is not sure of where along
the line was the mistake made. I don't know who the client is, nor
if he or she will do anything about this mistake, but I found it
curious that Golf blue was delivered without any lengthy feasibility
study (please correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that
"Golf blue" is not one of the pre-approved PTS colors, like Gulf,
Voodoo, Maritime, or Riviera)...
Carlos:
Actually 'Golf Blue', color code W91, is an approved PTS color.
So it didn't need any feasibility study to be done by the factory.
I concur with Consolidated that if there was a mistake made on
the color as 'delivered', it was done at the dealership level & not at
PAG. Dealers have to input both color name & color code. There is
little chance that PAG would confuse W91 with 328.
As was mentioned by DES GTS, the reverse happened to a customer
in Maryland back in early 2015. He ordered 'Golf Blue' & got instead
'Gulf Blue'.
I believe that was also dealer error, although they claimed (as does
Miami's 'The Collection' dealership now) it was not their fault.
*
Although I recognize that 'Gulf Blue' is a better known 'historic' 911
color with Porsche enthusiasts & a perennial favorite PTS color to the
present time, I am pretty impressed with how this 'Golf Blue' looks
on this 991 gt3 RS. I agree with others in this forum that have stated
that it might become a more requested color now that folks have had
a chance to see it on an actual Porsche model!
I was pretty clueless about the color 'Golf Blue' a year ago. But I had
to learn about it fast! It seems to have been a standard 911 & 912 color
from MY1966 to MY1968.
*
And now that I see it on this 991 gt3 RS, I must admit to all of you that I
am quite smitten by it! I hope the owner learns to love it...because I think
it actually makes his/her 991 gt3 RS stand out even more!
Thanks again Carlos for bringing this car in this interesting color to our
attention in this forum!
Is there a particular lighter blue you're very keen on?
Yes, 'Crystal Blue'!
***
Originally Posted by SwissArtPrints
I came across this picture of a maritime blue Porsche but the colour
usually seems to differ quite a bit from this shade... what colour
would represent this shade more often?
Second question: My other favourite colours are black,
carmine red and pts jet green metallic. Are there any
special PTS versions of rich reds (like Carmine) and
special PTS blacks? How do you like jet green metallic?
Do not follow different shades of PTS 'Black' or most metallics.
So I can not be of help. There are many 'reds' & 'metallic
greens' in the Approved PTS list, like 'GTS Rot', 'Aventurine
Green' & Sweden's favorite PTS color - 'Absolute Red'!
So Swiss, get a copy of the PTS approved list from your friendly
Porsche dealer & fly to Atlanta or Zuffenhausen to see the folks
at 'Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur'. They should have most, if
not all, PTS color samples at their offices! In fact, Germany used
to have the infamous 'Wailing Wall of PTS' (as I named it) in their
Zuffenhausen 'Exclusive Manufaktur' showroom. I am sure they'll
put it back up once they get new quarters!
*****************************************
Originally Posted by OG911
Is Arrow blue available as PTS for 911's ?
It is not on the approved list but we know of at least
one 918 owner that was able to order it in his 918
(which I believed recently sold at Villa D'Este Italy).
This is what Footsoldier (the owner) posted re: 'Arrow
Blue' in the 918 forum at the time:
Originally Posted by Footsoldier
On Arrow Blue (or Blau): I visited the factory in September 2014.
I chose Arrow as first choice (code 305), when helpfully suggested
by concierge as being an historic Porsche color which was closest
to voodoo blue. (That was my pre-visit choice).
They had around 12-15 small 918 shaped models in various shades
of blue to look at, after a previous customer had requested a full
suite of blue choices to be produced.
You could choose any color at all, not just from a shortlist. 'Standard'
PTS which Arrow was, then a more difficult and more expensive PTS,
and finally the most expensive being the liquid metallics. If I recall
the prices were EURO €15k, 25k and 40k respectively, inc Euro tax.
Voodoo was my reserve choice just in case Arrow didn't pass technical
tests, which was very unlikely.
It took 4-6 weeks for the Arrow blue to be tested and approved as
a 'standard' PTS, and then I received another sample to look at,
which was to becomes an official part of the factory 918 archive.
I received that on 18 Nov 2014 and signed off order at same date.
So, before the cutoff date of list, which must be linked to production
dates not orders?
I then kept quiet about color choice... and collected car at end May.
At the tail end of 918 production, I emailed Porsche and they confirmed
my car is the only 1 of 918 in Arrow Blue. Which is nice! Not the only
benefit of factory spec trip, but probably the biggest.
For US Market - Report that July 18th 2017 was date to put PTS Request on .2 991 gt3!
This news was reported today by someone I trust
here at Rennlist on another thread in this forum:
Originally Posted by Dr.Bill
Today was supposedly the day to REQUEST PTS.
Nothing confirmed yet that I know of. (in the US)
The allocation will show option "ZPT" - Request
for Exterior Paint to Sample. It will also show the
standard color selection until confirmed.
***
I have no particular knowledge how PCNA will
go through the job of picking PTS on the .2 991
gt3 given that demand for this option will be
greater than the supply of PTS slots expected
to be allocated to PCNA by the folks that decide
PTS in Zuffenhausen. The reported 'PTS Request'
from dealers to PCNA will give Porsche a better
idea of demand for PTS in this market for this
model.
PCNA will use the information to:
1) make the case for more PTS in our market!
And/Or
2) Gather the PTS requests to make decisions
as to what customers from what dealers will get
first crack at PTS when PAG finally opens the PTS
window for this model (expected in September/
October of 2017) & tells PCNA how many PTS
slots the US market will get! Will the coddled
918 VIP members get PTS priority this time
around?
So if you have an allocation for a .2 991 gt3 after
Sept 2017 (which might be transferable to a later
allocation/built date to be eligible for a delayed PTS
slot*) & want to be considered for this Paint-to-Sample
option, contact your US dealer ASAP & get them to
fill that 'PTS Request' form Dr. Bill has told us about! So caveat emptor!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail Valley, CO
*PAG will need minimum of three months from confirmation
of your PTS slot (& your specific color selection is approved)
to a production date. So keep this in mind. PTS will force
dealers, PCNA & PAG into a difficult logistic dance to match
already given .2 991 gt3 allocations to the limited .2 991 gt3
PTS slots not yet allocated but expected, 'comprende'? So get
ready for the expected fast-paced action & don't let your dealer
drop the ball re: your PTS request or your PTS dreams will be
'tostados'!
A real toss up between stunning blues called Arrow and Crystal -- a moot point since neither are approved PTS colors for .2 GT3.
I owned a Karmann Ghia (a real track slug) in Riviera and it's a great shade of blue. Mexico looks great but perhaps TOO popular? I thought of Gulf but a tad too light for me. I would like to see Maritime blue in the metal, though it appears Barney sneaked some purple in the paint can.
Sport Classic is the best of the grays -- much better than chalk IMO.
Love these PTS threads even if securing a slot are lottery odds.
07-14-2017, 02:14 AM
, that's encouraging! Now I am still waiting for my local Porsche to confirm when the PTS window is going to open here. Seems to be different from country to country. 
it sucks. tripple what you pay in the States
