<3mph

Thanks for the intel. Given how very popular these LWBs are, possibly more desirable than PTS, it's a little odd that none (of the alleged 30) were specced this way. How did you find out none had LWBs? And can you provide more detail on these cars?

anonymous918

you could change the config... i changed from 4 way seat to 16 way seat. i could have changed to LWB if i wanted to.

Z356

I'll pm you shortly and I will post on this Rennlist forum the whole story pretty soon. I am just waiting because today I sent a comprehensive email with my findings re: these PTS gt3's to Detlev von Platen, CEO of PCNA. I am giving him an opportunity to respond to my email before I post my story. If we don't have all the facts right just yet, I want him, PCNA & PAG to set the record straight before we break this story with specific details. We are more interested in getting to the truth, and finding out about the dealers where these PTS cars were allocated, than simply rushing to post a critical story re: how PCNA has mishandled this PTS program. The recriminations can come later...we are first interested in finding out all we can about these PTS gt3's and to give some of our Rennlisters an opportunity to purchase one at MSRP, if any are still available!

Yes, but only if you were aware of these PTS gt3's early on when they were first allocated! Although they were supposed to be locked in place by PAG and unchangeable, at least one savvy dealer (and Anonymous918 via his VIP program connections) was able to change the specs of their PTS gt3. In the one case that I know of, a GM on his allocated 'Signal Green' gt3's was able to substitute Carbon Ceramic Brakes for the standard gt3 brakes!

Everyone of these cars were originally specced with 4-way Sport Plus seats, LED's, Sport Chrono and most will arrive exactly with their original specs! By now the status of these cars is V-250/V-260 and above. So they are truly locked in place by today, some are already in production and most are expected to be finished being built in the next few weeks. Delivery stateside is expected in May.

By the way 'Anonynous', did you mean to say 'Adaptive Sport Plus 18-way' seats? Because I don't know of a 16-way seats in the current Porsche line up!

Yes, all the 'Signal Green' had the same original specs. But each other color has it's own peculiar specs. The so-called 'Mexico Blue' (which in fact might not be it's real color) is specced differently than the 'Signal Green' or the 'Arena Red Metallics'. We have the specs on each of the three PTS colors and will post shortly.

Thank you for that information. We were also told that by Racingutoo at the 'Arena Red'. He posted 'I think BH is also getting an arena red...call Glen' on 3/16 and we took notice. So I also want to thank Racingutoo for the information he is providing us on these PTS vehicles!

So far, this story only involves these extra PTS gt3's for US dealers. Maybe they think Canada already has too many beautiful PTS gt3's and they are trying to 'spread the PTS around', to paraphrase something our commander-in-chief would be apt to say!



I agree with you 100%, Montoya. It's a charade...with negative consequences if we can NOT trust the veracity of guidelines the company itself has announced publicly for the ordering process!

Hamilton: Can you share with us what dealer offered you the 'Arena Red Metallic' gt3 and their asking price? Was it a MSRP or with a markup? Thanks.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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FORENN

I can confirm the no buckets part is true. Some people have contacted dealerships and have seen the build sheets, which is how they know. Not a big deal to me, but obviously it is to some. Buckets can be added later, but not PTS. And while I realize buckets are very popular here on RL (home of pcar track rats), many who buy the GT3 as a DD or road-going car opt for greater comfort/adjustability. Either way, they are not included on these late-production PTS 3s. As much as some would prefer to have them (I would have ticked the box, too), I rather doubt their absence will affect the dealerships' ability to sell them. Just my .02.

Edit: I see Ed added his post above while I was preparing mine. Sorry in advance for any redundancies.

anonymous918

yes, 18 way...

<3mph

Thanks sportscentury and Eduardo. I'll be on the edge of my seat... What an unbelievable turn of events this has been!

doubleurx

Nice sleuthing Eduardo! Thanks

CAlexio

Was offered a Peru Red car...

mooty

fair question.
it's capitalism and most p car buyers are beneficiaries of capitalism, which must be differentiated from greed.... i am sure everyone knows what that means.

PAG sells to PCNA to dealer... while they cannot control dealers, they can IMPLY what dealers must do, and if they fail to do, slap their hands and they already do so... when i buy a car out of state and take to CA (a state with a coast) and being asian, i have been asked to sign a document to "not export the car to asia".... i asked why does the selling dealer care. a car sold is a pot of money made. they replied mother ship forces them to do it. well, so what. what if the selling dealer just show PAG PCNA the longer finger on their hand. no not the ring finger... they wont be getting allocations... so you see. mother ship does control that.

you noticed every porsche dealership have same architecure (if you can call it that). why? b/c mothership mandates that. i asked the dealer what if you mooned the mothership and continue selling porsche out of a sh*thole. they said that the franchise will be pulled. again mothership has control over dealers.

while legally pcna can't do anything, their are implied risks. when i was a banker, i dont wear my gage or 9 ear rings to work. while there's nothing they can do to me, i know what i can and cannot do b/c the IMPLIED rules. so again, PCNA PAG can used the IMPLIED RULE OR THREAT and get dealers to perform.

all above was my inelegant way of saying that PAG PCNA should watch what mark up is being charged. b/c while it's captialism at work, the random upcharge causes bad taste in upset customers and one bad mouth is enough to destroy their $20MM advertising campaign....

ok, forge the mark up for now.

how to distribute the car. i dont pretend the world is fair. i am too old for that garbage that i tell my 5 yo. but rules should be transparent.

a 918 owner has certain privileges and that's spelled out clearly in the 918 campaign pack. so while i am not thrilled with the "unfairness" i know that if i shut up worked harder made more $ bought a 918, i shall have such privilege. then that's fine with me. it was my incompetence that led to lack of such privilege no prob with that.

but when the "rules" are not clear. that leads to chaos.

PTS was in moratorium. no more PTS. then suddenly PTS shows up....
make it simpler. i tell my 5yo no ice cream. too much sugar tonight. he goes to bed. i start digging into ben and jerry. he comes down stairs after peeing then sees daddy swallowing ice cream by the gallon..... ugh... how do you explain to the kid.... really how do you explain it?

i text while drive. i tell my daughter do not text all day, it can wait. she then askes why are you texting all the time daddy?.... well, i was speechless. i have no good explanation i was caught red handed.

now daddy PCNA, what's YOUR explanation?





as to how to improve and reduce frustration of customers....
easy very easy..

today we are making this thing called GT3RS.
we are making exactly X units. not X+1 or X-1 or 2X etc. exactly X
rules are 918 guys gets first right of refusal then it's first come first serve. and i even would be ok with over msrp IF IT'S TOLD TO THE CUSTOMER BEFORE HAND. say mooty, you can have slot 1 if you paid 20 over. then i say yes or no. personally i am fine with that (others may not be) but what is not acceptable is that a slot is promised to ABC then XYZ comes along and says let me pay you 20 over... then dealer pulls the promised msrp car to ABC and sell it to XYZ at higher amount AFTER the fact. that's not cool.

certainly many will not be able to get the X unit of cars to be made. but if the rule is clear. then i think we as grown ups just sign and have a beer than move on. it's like playing a tennis match with your buddy, only one of you can win. but both play the same rule so it's all good. but if you changed the rule when it's set point...... well

Z356

Where, in Lima? There are a lot of red cars in Peru...some even have painted their nation's flag on them! What's the big deal? Did you get it?







Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

CAlexio

Not interested at all.. Too expensive for me, optioned to the hilt, and I really didn't like the color. Was really set on this gt4... It's a bit of a jerk off really at the moment.

Can tell you dealer if you're interested, SA is actually a friend and a very nice guy, would love for him to be able to sell the car

Z356

Me personally would not be interested...but there might be someone here on this forum that might be. Are you saying a PTS 'Peru Red' gt3 (color code 042 Uni) is available at a US dealer you know? What are the specs? Are they asking MSRP? Let the forum know...someone might just love 'Peru Red' on a gt3!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

PS I sent you a pm one week ago. Did you get it?
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STG

I'm with you ...


Some people don't play by the rules.

Some people don't think the rules apply to them.

Some people feel like they can make up the rules as they go.

Some people break the rules because they know there will be no consequences.

Some people feel like they are above the rules.


You can see these unfortunate things played out on a daily basis everyday.

Can I see pics of these earrings??

otisdog

And what's a gage?

STG