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Jon,
If you go with Surface Transforms the rotors come with their own hats and hardware - no matter who you buy them from. You can't use the hardware and hats off of the stock PCCBs.
Was it ever answered if you can refurbish OEM PCCB's?
We do not offer refurbishing for pccb. Although we did handle a few refurbishing orders for GTR customers who purchased ST rotors through AP/Stillen; by disassembling the rotor hats and re-assemble them after refurbished by ST, but based on the feedback from those customers (All are serious track guys), the result (durability) was not as satisfactory as expected, so we never handle 2nd refurbishing work.
RacingBrake has developed sintered brake pads*exclusively for CCM rotors, which has proven can heal the damaged (pitted) CCM rotor surface due to oxidization - A more cost effective and practical way than "refurbishing", just replacing the pads and those pads will do the refurbishing for you without even having to remove your rotors.
It's even better if RB sintered pad is used when CCM rotors are new which can lay a protective coating on rotor surface that not only it can prevent the rotor from oxidization, but can help to dissipate heat faster (metallic surface) than the rotor original material.
We do not offer refurbishing for pccb. Although we did handle a few refurbishing orders for GTR customers who purchased ST rotors through AP/Stillen; by disassembling the rotor hats and re-assemble them after refurbished by ST, but based on the feedback from those customers (All are serious track guys), the result (durability) was not as satisfactory as expected, so we never handle 2nd refurbishing work.
RacingBrake has developed sintered brake pads*exclusively for CCM rotors, which has proven can heal the damaged (pitted) CCM rotor surface due to oxidization - A more cost effective and practical way than "refurbishing", just replacing the pads and those pads will do the refurbishing for you without even having to remove your rotors.
It's even better if RB sintered pad is used when CCM rotors are new which can lay a protective coating on rotor surface that not only it can prevent the rotor from oxidization, but can help to dissipate heat faster (metallic surface) than the rotor original material.
High & consistent COF than Pagid RSC or Endless W007:
XC-40: 0.58 - 0.60
XC-41: 0.63 - 0.65
Interesting so those would work even with OEM PCCB's then? I'm curious whats the cost on the pads? If I pull the trigger on this 14' GT3 that comes with PCCB's these sound like a good investment to immediately put on the car.
Poison, I'm not an expert but I've been looking into this for a while. Maybe I can help. For what you are inquiring about, take PCCBs out of the equation. PCCB's can't be resurfaced or self healed with special pads. PCCBs are done once their life is determined to be finished - although that could be 10 years if only street driving. Surface Transforms are a different animal. Their rotors are manufactured in a very different way than our factory PCCBs (lot's of literature on this). Look at fine china, fine cutlery, tools, etc. The manufacturing process can make a big difference on the overall quality and longevity of a component. Pads that heal damaged rotors, Carbon-Cermaic rotors that can be refinished and things along these lines, are limited to only Surface Transforms rotors from what I can gather - at least in the consumer Porsche world. This is because ST is manufacturing their rotors in a very different way than the vast majority of other Carbon Ceramic rotors on the market. When it comes to Porsche, I think you only have 2 carbon ceramic options: Original PCCB's or rotors manufactured by ST. Now, please note, there are a few vendors where you can get ST rotors compatible with 991 GT3 center lock wheels. The two that I know of are Autoquest and RacingBrake. I think they are both very active here on Rennlist. RacingBrake is the OP of this thread.
Poison, I'm not an expert but I've been looking into this for a while. Maybe I can help. For what you are inquiring about, take PCCBs out of the equation. PCCB's can't be resurfaced or self healed with special pads. PCCBs are done once their life is determined to be finished - although that could be 10 years if only street driving. Surface Transforms are a different animal. Their rotors are manufactured in a very different way than our factory PCCBs (lot's of literature on this). Look at fine china, fine cutlery, tools, etc. The manufacturing process can make a big difference on the overall quality and longevity of a component. Pads that heal damaged rotors, Carbon-Cermaic rotors that can be refinished and things along these lines, are limited to only Surface Transforms rotors from what I can gather - at least in the consumer Porsche world. This is because ST is manufacturing their rotors in a very different way than the vast majority of other Carbon Ceramic rotors on the market. When it comes to Porsche, I think you only have 2 carbon ceramic options: Original PCCB's or rotors manufactured by ST. Now, please note, there are a few vendors where you can get ST rotors compatible with 991 GT3 center lock wheels. The two that I know of are Autoquest and RacingBrake. I think they are both very active here on Rennlist. RacingBrake is the OP of this thread.
Thanks. I'll probably just swap out the PCCB's to some RB Iron's after I pick up the car this weekend.
RB is shipping its Carbon Ceramic Rotors for Jeep Trackhawk (2018) which is the most powerful SUV on earth (707 HP) and equipped with the largest Brembo 6 piston calipers ever installed in a stock car.
Rotor are made with our continuous carbon fiber (see those beautiful texture), and exclusive angle vane design for efficient cooling.
Rotor kit includes our best street pads (XT910 compound) for optimal brake operation on Carbon Ceramic Rotor.
We still have a few sets left for GT3 pccb replacement made with ST discs, once they are sold out we will only be makig replacement rotors with those premium RB-CCB discs.
RacingBrake is proud to offer the first and only CCB brake upgrade for such a legendary SUV - Jeep SRT8
Same ST discs but different in design and material in rotor hat and hardware, so different rotor (RB or ST).
Our CCM rotors are available locally in Socal for off shelf shipment, urgent need and service can be available next day.
We offer more discs choice, plus pads selection for different applications than ST standard bundle.
I'm lost here. The discs are the same, but the rotors are different? Rotors = discs. I don't get it.
The actual disk is the same ST everybody else sells, but just the hat/hardware is different?
In what way does the hat and mounting hardware affect the end result? I'm asking in the context of a car with stock PCCCBs and just replacing the rotors (while keeping the OEM yellow calipers), thanks!
I'm lost here. The discs are the same, but the rotors are different? Rotors = discs. I don't get it.
The actual disk is the same ST everybody else sells, but just the hat/hardware is different?
In what way does the hat and mounting hardware affect the end result? I'm asking in the context of a car with stock PCCCBs and just replacing the rotors (while keeping the OEM yellow calipers), thanks!
Interested in the answer to your questions as well.
"We still have a few sets left for GT3 pccb replacement made with ST discs, once they are sold out we will only be makig replacement rotors with those premium RB-CCB discs."
Sounds like RB was using ST rotors but now has their own rotors with their own materials based on that statement?
Interested in the answer to your questions as well.
"We still have a few sets left for GT3 pccb replacement made with ST discs, once they are sold out we will only be makig replacement rotors with those premium RB-CCB discs."
Sounds like RB was using ST rotors but now has their own rotors with their own materials based on that statement?
10-24-2018, 07:18 PM
