Stop Sale?
04-22-2014, 01:35 PM
#4291
When the update came, and I was informed my car would be another month, I was told "the wait would be worth it". Zero explanation as to what happened, though I don't think they cared to check to see. I personally believe this problem, or a problem, was well known prior to February.
04-22-2014, 02:04 PM
#4292
Rennlist Member
WOW! What you and others experienced whose cars never left Germany raises red flags for me. What did Porsche know and when did they know it?
Something is wrong. This makes little sense.
Something is wrong. This makes little sense.
04-22-2014, 02:11 PM
#4293
04-22-2014, 02:20 PM
#4294
Exactly the reason why I finally gave up. With no true updates or end in sight, it's not worth it. Granted things may be moving, but someone was updated that engines were already being built (as per PCNA) yet my call this morning said later this week (as per PCNA). I realize numerous people working in the building could reflect different responses, but at this point, an early morning e-mail should be sent to each individual handling GT3 issues that states the "DO and DON'T say this" of the day.
04-22-2014, 04:59 PM
#4298
Race Director
The last e-mail we received said they would begin producing the new engines "the week of April 22nd". They didn't name a specific day.
04-22-2014, 05:13 PM
#4299
Agreed. I was told today that the production will begin "later this week" and that within 2-3 weeks, we will be contacted again with detailed logistics info on the dates of our individual engine swaps.
04-22-2014, 05:53 PM
#4300
Rennlist Member
04-22-2014, 06:26 PM
#4301
Rennlist Member
Engines being built? my best bet: not yet. Still problems - still testing.
Do they know when we will get our cars? --> NOT YET.
FRUSTRATING but harsh reality
Peter
Do they know when we will get our cars? --> NOT YET.
FRUSTRATING but harsh reality
Peter
04-22-2014, 06:27 PM
#4302
Caution: The following is only speculation!
Last Friday I called and talked to my concierge rep as to when I would getting my car? They cancelled my 2014 and said it would be a 2015. I never had any communication from her until last Friday after I called her. She said she would look into my situation and would get back to me on Monday with some answers. Guess what did not happen. I called my sales rep he said he has not been able to re-enter my order because they PNA has not given him an allocation? I told that to my concierge rep she said when they cancelled your order and moved the build to a 2015 that is when my dealer could have re-entered my build nd got a new Comm No. So guess what he did last Friday and I received my 2015 Comm. No. Vehicle Status: V060 - Order demand created.
...my car is still v260, originally scheduled for May 16'th delivery, it will (obviously) now be delayed. I have a VIN (with an 'E'), 2014, and the latest info still does not give a delivery date. The BEST GUESS...is late June/early July delivery now. My order/allocation has neither been cancelled nor pushed to model year 2015 with delivery September /October...I was also offered the 1 year warranty extension and $2000 per month for every month it is delayed from May 16'th.
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Then this situation unfortunately presented itself with the testing in Germany:
Latest rumors here in Germany - I have heard last week at my dealer (southwest of Stuttgart) - that they have been surprised by the delay to build the motors. Start of building them should have happened approx. 2 weeks ago (several cars from the dealer already have been brought back to PAG some time ago) but got delayed again. Also other strong indications were given that this should have already happened!
Information was also that motors are still running more or less day and night on test stands at all possible locations PAG has (Weissach, Zuffenhausen) and are constantly tested. Seems that first results have been not as good as wished for which caused the extra delay.
More rumors say that the rod screws might not be the only problem of the engine and that they are also working on the issue of vibrations ……
Its rumors – I do not have a solid source for this stuff but I learned the hard way that most of the rumors around this case unfortunately became reality. I guess there is a reason why so many cars have been pushed to MY2015 …
Peter
Information was also that motors are still running more or less day and night on test stands at all possible locations PAG has (Weissach, Zuffenhausen) and are constantly tested. Seems that first results have been not as good as wished for which caused the extra delay.
More rumors say that the rod screws might not be the only problem of the engine and that they are also working on the issue of vibrations ……
Its rumors – I do not have a solid source for this stuff but I learned the hard way that most of the rumors around this case unfortunately became reality. I guess there is a reason why so many cars have been pushed to MY2015 …
Peter
Now, in order to be prudent in light of the litigious nature of this market and because of legitimate financial concerns, PAG perhaps has a slightly different plan of action for the US! And it is to try to get most American customers that ordered MY2014 gt3's, especially those that never actually received them, to voluntarily cancel their orders and let them order MY2015's, when they are available. There may be reasons for PAG not taking the unilateral action of just saying they can't deliver the vehicle to you (e.g. dealer's commission if you don't re-order a '15), but they might not mind one bit if you just cancel the order - the so-called buy-back option. The advantages for PAG, not PCNA, are numerous:
1) eliminates additional COSTLY compensation for US buyers.
2) may also reduced cost of extra year of warranty.
3) they can start cranking out MY2015 sooner without protest from the Americans!
By the way, these E vin gt3's will be sold in other ROW markets, probably at a higher profit margin to PAG that they sell them to PCNA here!
That is perhaps why increasingly you will see confusing messaging coming from PCNA re: your '14 gt3's, such as the following two posts:
Update on my GT3. The following is the email I received from Ian today wether my car was a 2014 or a 2015 after Mr. Tim Quinn told me I was not getting a 2014 and was pushed to a 2015...
Good morning Mr. xxxx
I escalated this question yesterday and received confirmation back that
your car is a 2014, one reason given is that it has a VIN #.
Thank you,
Ian Moon
GT3 Customer Concierge
Good morning Mr. xxxx
I escalated this question yesterday and received confirmation back that
your car is a 2014, one reason given is that it has a VIN #.
Thank you,
Ian Moon
GT3 Customer Concierge
I am hopeful that we will soon hear enough facts from the Action Group of Captain Mojo and Macca to clarify the situation on the ground. I believe that group should have enough information to analyze a pattern of behavior on the part of PAG worldwide re: the gt3 issue as to make matters clear.
As long as the current gt3 engine testing is positive & the motor's issues resolved, I believe that PAG will start producing MY2015 gt3's in June of 2014. That is the date when MY2015 production starts for all other 991 models. I have been told by some of you that '15 gt3's will not built until all of your E Vin '14 gt3's are finished production - some in June, or July, or August, or even September & October. Only then, I was told in this forum, will the '15 gt3's start to be produced in the assembly line. I don't think this will be the case. And we should know soon enough if ROW '15 gt3's are scheduled for customers starting in June & beyond!
Perhaps from PAG point of view, if you eliminate deliveries of the unfinished '14 gt3's to American customers (by hook or....), you save on extra compensation, limit the extended warranty & possibly make same or more money by selling them in another market. And it lessens the liability for them re: 2014 gt3's in this litigious marketplace. PAG, not PCNA, might have decided that strategically this serves their interest BEST. Soon enough we will know the answer to these questions.
Caution. All of the above is pure speculation.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
PS RE: Why gt3's never left 'port' in the US after their arrival by boat:
Another reason to hold them at 'port', besides they are all together for a quick engine replacement, could be that they might NOT be officially 'imported' yet into the USA and 'import duties' are not yet been paid. If these '14 gt3's are eventually accepted by their original customer after this engine exchange saga ends, PAG saved money on cash flow by holding them in 'port' but not yet in the 'US'. If, on the other hand, these gt3's are cancelled by their US customers, it gives PAG a chance to ship them OUT to other markets without having ever to have paid import duties in the US, which would not been refundable in any case. Something to think about.
04-22-2014, 07:08 PM
#4304
Race Director
Of course we've heard lots of different things, but early on they were saying that port facilities weren't equipped to do engine swaps which is why dealers would be handling it. It's frustrating not to know but I expect none of this will be completely clear until people start getting specific information on when/where their cars are scheduled to be worked on.