Stop Sale?
03-16-2014, 07:19 PM
#2461
Rennlist Member
Macca, changing a loom or component once off is one thing and I hear you... Being lied to over the first 3 years of ownership, having CL technology introduced that is not up to task and being asked to replace it every 3-4 years because they've washed their hands of it does leave a sour taste in ones mouth...
I love the car and love my hobby but spent the first 3 years during the uncertainty of it all wondering if I was going to lose a wheel at the next corner doing 200kmh... And to add insult to injury, when I asked to convert back to 5 studs, PAG told PCA they don't reverse engineer their cars and I would be on my own for warranty.
I knew all about the fitting issues and was happy to address that at some point. The rest was a result of half arsed engineering and testing, buck passing and arrogance. So yes, I was looking for the CL to be a one off debacle yet for Porsche it seems this is now more and more so the norm...
I love the car and love my hobby but spent the first 3 years during the uncertainty of it all wondering if I was going to lose a wheel at the next corner doing 200kmh... And to add insult to injury, when I asked to convert back to 5 studs, PAG told PCA they don't reverse engineer their cars and I would be on my own for warranty.
I knew all about the fitting issues and was happy to address that at some point. The rest was a result of half arsed engineering and testing, buck passing and arrogance. So yes, I was looking for the CL to be a one off debacle yet for Porsche it seems this is now more and more so the norm...
I have not read every post on this thread, nor I have read every thread on this board. However, I wonder how much of an impact VW is having on Porsche???
I HOPE more than anything that Porsche rectifies this situation with the GT3, and I can not wait to get one in my hands on the track in order to "just drive it!" But what I can guarantee is that I will be driving the new fleet of Corvette's on the track in coming months - and that was not even in the cards a few months back…
I'll always be a Porsche fan. It just might be pre-996 models along with a few exceptions.
Good luck guys, and hang in there. Can't wait to see more posts about this car on the track!
-B
03-16-2014, 07:22 PM
#2462
Rennlist Member
It depends on the specific problem, of course, but if there is in fact something significant that has failed inside the engine due to a supplier quality issue, manufacturing issue, or whatever issue I personally would much rather have a brand new factory fresh motor, than have the dealer rebuild my existing one with new parts. Sorry if my "praying" will be counter to yours; don't know how scores are kept on that kind of thing. 
03-16-2014, 07:48 PM
#2464
Burning Brakes
First, I appreciate you posting the feedback from your friend. Beyond that, respectfully, can you or anyone else produce even one documented fact that supports your theory? I'm friends with a member of AP's inside team, one of those guys who has been working every day since this whole thing began to track down the problem. (Why work so hard to find a problem that's already "known" or "suspected?). He has not been able to share any specifics with me, but I know the kind of guy he is, how hard he works, and the passion he and others on the team have for the car. Not to put too fine a point on it, but what is being said about these issues showing up in testing and being swept under the rug is complete and utter BS.
If the current stop sale does indeed turn out to be related to rod bolt failure, it seems that our heavily-ridiculed RL poster from so many months ago was spot on. Could it have been a big coincidence that he fabricated a BS story that just so happened to turn out to be true? Possible I suppose, but the alternative seems more likely, IMO.
03-16-2014, 07:52 PM
#2465
Burning Brakes
03-16-2014, 07:54 PM
#2466
On one of the manufacturing delay threads quite some time back, a European RL’er posted that more than one early car suffered broken con rods in the hands of journalists conducting test drives. A bunch of people who are active in this forum immediately pounced on him, labeling him a troll, stating that he was full of BS, etc. Months later there is a stop sale, and unofficial reports from various sources, including highly respected European publications, are all indicating problems with rod bolts and/or rod failures. If the current stop sale does indeed turn out to be related to rod bolt failure, it seems that our heavily-ridiculed RL poster from so many months ago was spot on. Could it have been a big coincidence that he fabricated a BS story that just so happened to turn out to be true? Possible I suppose, but the alternative seems more likely, IMO.
However, not ALL members pounced on him and certainly he was asked to elaborate and / or give supporting detail. He didn't. In fact, as I recall, he vanished.
03-16-2014, 08:04 PM
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03-16-2014, 08:10 PM
#2470
Burning Brakes
That he disappeared is even less surprising, given the uncharacteristically harsh rebukes he received here (not pointing any fingers at you).
03-16-2014, 08:13 PM
#2471
Rennlist Member
When did he do this? I don't recall his post.
03-16-2014, 08:14 PM
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03-16-2014, 08:19 PM
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Burning Brakes
03-16-2014, 08:31 PM
#2474
Burning Brakes
No problem. But it's going to cost more than 85.
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03-16-2014, 08:32 PM
#2475
Three Wheelin'
On one of the manufacturing delay threads quite some time back, a European RL’er posted that more than one early car suffered broken con rods in the hands of journalists conducting test drives. A bunch of people who are active in this forum immediately pounced on him, labeling him a troll, stating that he was full of BS, etc. Months later there is a stop sale, and unofficial reports from various sources, including highly respected European publications, are all indicating problems with rod bolts and/or rod failures.
If the current stop sale does indeed turn out to be related to rod bolt failure, it seems that our heavily-ridiculed RL poster from so many months ago was spot on. Could it have been a big coincidence that he fabricated a BS story that just so happened to turn out to be true? Possible I suppose, but the alternative seems more likely, IMO.
If the current stop sale does indeed turn out to be related to rod bolt failure, it seems that our heavily-ridiculed RL poster from so many months ago was spot on. Could it have been a big coincidence that he fabricated a BS story that just so happened to turn out to be true? Possible I suppose, but the alternative seems more likely, IMO.