Stop Sale?
03-11-2014, 02:38 AM
#1651
Thanks Bluehinder. It doesn't make the experience any less meaningful to me but my disease was relatively low grade and totally confined to the prostate so I don't think of myself as a survivor. Given my family history, however, it was simply something I was unwilling to take a wait and see attitude about so I opted for the surgery. Enough of that. BTW, my original typo was corrected almost immediately but you must have read it before I got to it. I know very well the difference between the organ and lying on the ground. 
As to the engine swap, I see it differently. I'm not happy about the inconvenience, but given I plan to keep the car long term I'm little concerned about other's perceptions. My sole requirement is that the car be 100% functional and I have little doubt that will be the case. Your POV, of course, may be different and you have to do what you think best..
As to the engine swap, I see it differently. I'm not happy about the inconvenience, but given I plan to keep the car long term I'm little concerned about other's perceptions. My sole requirement is that the car be 100% functional and I have little doubt that will be the case. Your POV, of course, may be different and you have to do what you think best..
There are plenty of other interesting cars out there without the baggage this one carries. I'm not married to the Porsche brand and am not a Kool-Aid drinker, and have no commitment to this car. I'm moving on to something else.
BTW, there is no typo between prostate and prostrate, they are both real words.
Out of curiosity, what was your Gleason score?
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03-11-2014, 02:58 AM
#1652
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Why do you have no doubt that the new engine will be 100% functional? I see no basis for that assumption, quite the contrary in fact. It's not 100% functional now. Current reports of problems include thermostat, cam sensor, rotors, what ever this is. It's safe to say it's 100% non-functional now.
I get that you're disappointed and disillusioned. Given how you feel, getting rid of the car is probably the best option for you, assuming you can work that out. As for me, I think Porsche will make this right. Call it blind faith if you like, but given the publicity around this whole business I think there is too much at stake if they don't. I'm willing to wait and see how it all plays out.
03-11-2014, 03:00 AM
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As a physician who specializes in cancer, Mike I'm happy that you are a cancer survivor. Going through that experience, or working with cancer patients does bring a new perspective to life, however, eventually that is balanced with the realities of life. I can honestly say that I've not lost a single nights sleep over this, and it only slightly intrudes in daily life, but the reality is that a $160,000 car has proven have a catastrophic failure, resulting (if rumors are true) in an unprecedented cure, that being a total motor replacement. The marque has suffered tremendous damage, which may result in an absence of a secondary market for the cars repaired. I think this is the reality of the situation.
Myself, after thinking about it, I'm still committed to returning the car for a refund. I wont accept an engine transplant. There's an old saying about stock trading, "your first loss is your best loss." I'm out now.
Just for the record, it's prostate, not prostrate. Prostrate means prone on the ground, prostate is the organ.
Myself, after thinking about it, I'm still committed to returning the car for a refund. I wont accept an engine transplant. There's an old saying about stock trading, "your first loss is your best loss." I'm out now.
Just for the record, it's prostate, not prostrate. Prostrate means prone on the ground, prostate is the organ.
Cancer is a bitch- my dad died from "mesothoma" working in shipyards due to asbestos during ww2- would spelling actually matter- that is insensitive. Ps- I know the right spelling for "mesothoma". Mike
03-11-2014, 03:05 AM
#1654
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Last sentence or two- really? Sometimes...y correct spelling when u know what is meant? Life threatening will affect immediate their immediate ones- I give them some lattitude with wrong diction.
Cancer is a bitch- my dad died from "mesothoma" working in shipyards due to asbestos during ww2- would spelling actually matter- that is insensitive. Ps- I know the right spelling for "mesothoma". Mike
Cancer is a bitch- my dad died from "mesothoma" working in shipyards due to asbestos during ww2- would spelling actually matter- that is insensitive. Ps- I know the right spelling for "mesothoma". Mike
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03-11-2014, 03:17 AM
#1655
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There are plenty of other interesting cars out there without the baggage this one carries. I'm not married to the Porsche brand and am not a Kool-Aid drinker, and have no commitment to this car. I'm moving on to something else.
BTW, there is no typo between prostate and prostrate, they are both real words. Out of curiosity, what was your Gleason score?
BTW, there is no typo between prostate and prostrate, they are both real words.
Out of curiosity, what was your Gleason score?It's not a matter of being married to the brand. There may be other interesting cars out there but I can't think of anything else under $150K that grabs my fancy and offers this level of performance and daily useability. I've owned Carreras and a Boxster. A Corvette or Viper? No insult to anyone, but not for me. I won't pay an additional $100K for a Fiat or McLaren and I'm not particularly interested in used cars.
I'm not the world's greatest typist. Sometimes my brain and fingers don't work well together. Those are both real words but I confused them, added an extra unwanted letter, and recognized it right after I posted. Call it what you like, I call it a typo.
My Gleason score was a 6. It was caught early. As I said, family history was the decider for me.
03-11-2014, 05:20 AM
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Finally, there will arise a secondary market for those 991 gt3's that are 'handed back' (called them 'buy-backs' if you must) to the dealers from those demanding a full refund. There will be incentives that Porsche puts in place to find 'new' buyers for these 'slightly' used 991 gt3's. That in itself might make the market for 991 gt3's very interesting in the next three months or so...and create some interesting buying opportunities!
03-11-2014, 06:57 AM
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Funny, PNCA called me yesterday and said that they agreed to give me a loaner car. They told me to contact the dealer and it had been approved. They didn't say what type of car. I haven't called the dealer yet. I was waiting till the announcement.
My car is in PDI, so I'm expecting bad news. Why would they offer a loaner if the car was going to be at the dealer next week? I've been holding off selling my 991 C2S till the verdict. Sounds like a good call, but maybe the C2S will go up in flames. 7800 miles it's run like a top.
My car is in PDI, so I'm expecting bad news. Why would they offer a loaner if the car was going to be at the dealer next week? I've been holding off selling my 991 C2S till the verdict. Sounds like a good call, but maybe the C2S will go up in flames. 7800 miles it's run like a top.
03-11-2014, 07:00 AM
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Welcome back mate.
Just like our CL shafting we got, in 1-2 years time they'll probably send out letters requiring customers tracking cars to have them reflashed to 8250 rpm to ensure longevity or rebuilds every 7000 track kilometers. Lets hope that this too isn't deemed acceptable by the masses...
03-11-2014, 07:27 AM
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what a pretty mess this release has become.
but mike is right - it's small fry in the grande scheme of things.
porsche needed a wake-up call like this, unfortunately.
mezger army salute!
but mike is right - it's small fry in the grande scheme of things.
porsche needed a wake-up call like this, unfortunately.
mezger army salute!
03-11-2014, 09:22 AM
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03-11-2014, 09:27 AM
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What a sad mess indeed. After being at the track this past weekend, I was leaning towards giving the 991 GT3 a shot, but after getting back and reading all this I'm not so sure anymore. I haven't lost all confidence in Porsche, but I do now have less confidence in the durability and reliability of this car with heavy track use, and Porsche's willingness to honor the warranty in that case.
03-11-2014, 09:49 AM
#1662
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First, let's just say there is a total "all car engine swap". I agree with previous posts that doing that option is better than having each dealer rebuild them. Too much room for error and consistency of rebuild with all those chefs in the kitchen. The Germans like to have consistency. And face it, lack of it, looks like what got them into this position.
Second, someone posted earlier that a GT3 with an extended warranty and a new engine could very well pretty appealing! Maybe a premium. I had a 1990 964 that had an issue with the dual mass flywheel. They didn't do a recall but they replaced it if you asked. (weird I agree) In any case, they had to drop the motor etc. no big deal. That replacement improved the resale value of that car. I know its not a perfect comparison, and no doubt the immediate after market for the cars affected will be strange at best, but down the road a wee bit, I don't think it will matter. IMHO
03-11-2014, 09:59 AM
#1663
Seriously? I sure hope you are still in trainning and that you haven't been taught to respect people's privacy yet, rather than invade it in a public forum.
03-11-2014, 10:04 AM
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