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The official answer for PTS is Noright now. That could change soon, or later, or never. Lots of us are applying pressure on PCNA / PAG to open up PTS for both the 991.1 GT3 RS and the 981.1 Cayman GT4.
If it was me, and I can only speak for myself, I'd take the later slot just because it gives more time for this change to take place. It'd be annoying if I had just gotten one in non-PTS, only to find that if I waited a month or two longer, I'd have gotten PTS. Granted, I'd rather have the car than no car at all... So it's all about balancing your risk tolerance.
There must be a rational reason why no PTS or many other
standard colors
There must be a rational reason why no PTS or many other
standard colors
Rational? Kind of. Depends on how you look at it.
PTS is tough because they guarantee quality of the color. It's tough because new models have new panels, from different suppliers, and often using different materials (in the case of the 991.1 GT3 RS, CF and Magnesium). It takes a lot of testing for PAG to be comfortable with the specific paint/color on all these panels/parts/pieces/materials.
So, it's rational based on the explanation above.
It's not rational/valid, in my opinion, because not offering PTS is the lazy / cheap way out.
What I can't understand is why are some paint colours approved to be used on the different body panel materials, but then some say, there needs to be more testing done on other PTS colours. Are the paints generally not manufactured the same, aside from the actual colouring? I'm certainly not a paint expert, but to me this shouldn't be so complicated, but I guess it is.
Third on the list at dealer. Only the first spot got an allocation today. Dealer says wishful thinking to get another one in 2015 and that should hope for 2016. Hopefully this is just all hearsay as I was hoping to get an allocation.
What I can't understand is why are some paint colours approved to be used on the different body panel materials, but then some say, there needs to be more testing done on other PTS colours. Are the paints generally not manufactured the same, aside from the actual colouring? I'm certainly not a paint expert, but to me this shouldn't be so complicated, but I guess it is.
I can't speak for the ROW, but at least in the U.S., from what I understand each different color offered by the manufacturer must be tested by the Dept. of Transportation (or some other agency of the federal government) for various safety issues, the most important being crash test.
So, for example, if Porsche offer a red seat belt, then that seat belt color must be fitted in a car, and then driven into a wall for crash test purposes.
So, now imagine doing that for the spectrum of colors that are potentially (infinitely?) available under the PTS program.
What ever the reason is, we'll be the last to know. PCNA doesn't seem to concerned about keeping it's customers informed. Bad! Allan
Correct. Their attitude is appalling. I, for one, am very fed up!
Originally Posted by GreenLantern
Rational? Kind of. Depends on how you look at it.
PTS is tough because they guarantee quality of the color. It's tough because new models have new panels, from different suppliers, and often using different materials (in the case of the 991.1 GT3 RS, CF and Magnesium). It takes a lot of testing for PAG to be comfortable with the specific paint/color on all these panels/parts/pieces/materials.
So, it's rational based on the explanation above.
It's not rational/valid, in my opinion, because not offering PTS is the lazy / cheap way out.
@Eduardo can back me up on this. (Hopefully!)
Sure GreenLantern buddy, I will back you up!
Originally Posted by bronson7
What I can't understand is why are some paint colours approved to be used on the different body panel materials, but then some say, there needs to be more testing done on other PTS colours. Are the paints generally not manufactured the same, aside from the actual colouring? I'm certainly not a paint expert, but to me this shouldn't be so complicated, but I guess it is.
The feasibility tests includes fading and coverage...and that depends on the chemistry of every component of the paints - the primer, the base and the clear top-coat. Some colors will not cover with the same uniformity as others. For example, this PTS orange expressly made for a customer on his 997 Turbo was problematic. In short order, the paint on the bumpers & plastic parts didn't seem to match the rest of the metal panels on his Turbo!
So if they get approval for 'Ultraviolet' or 'Lava Orange', it doesn't mean that 'Voodoo Blue' or 'Signal Yellow' will pass that test.
Originally Posted by ipse dixit
I can't speak for the ROW, but at least in the U.S., from what I understand each different color offered by the manufacturer must be tested by the Dept. of Transportation (or some other agency of the federal government) for various safety issues, the most important being crash test.
So, for example, if Porsche offer a red seat belt, then that seat belt color must be fitted in a car, and then driven into a wall for crash test purposes.
So, now imagine doing that for the spectrum of colors that are potentially (infinitely?) available under the PTS program.
I don't believe the DOT or any other US agency tests each color offered by an auto manufacturer nor test for a change in the colors of a seat belt as long as the technical requirements for the approved seat belts stay the same. Take the aluminum foil hat off, Ipse, and get back on your medicines.
Eduardo What is the latest PTS list? The last list I found you posted was from September, but was wondering if that has changed at all as some colors were under "F" status back then.
Eduardo What is the latest PTS list? The last list I found you posted was from September, but was wondering if that has changed at all as some colors were under "F" status back then.
My latest is the same - 9/09/2014 (attached) - but I will ask Matthew Henry at 'Porsche Exclusive' when he returns from his trip to Germany!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
PS You also will have a PM from me soon on a different subject.
My latest is the same - 9/09/2014 (attached) - but I will ask Matthew Henry at 'Porsche Exclusive' when he returns from his trip to Germany! Saludos, Eduardo Carmel PS You also will have a PM from me soon on a different subject.
Thank you Eduardo and I will look out for your PM.
[QUOTE=Z356;12128612]Correct. Their attitude is appalling. I, for one, am very fed up!
Sure GreenLantern buddy, I will back you up!
The feasibility tests includes fading and coverage...and that depends on the chemistry of every component of the paints - the primer, the base and the clear top-coat. Some colors will not cover with the same uniformity as others. For example, this PTS orange expressly made for a customer on his 997 Turbo was problematic. In short order, the paint on the bumpers & plastic parts didn't seem to match the rest of the metal panels on his Turbo!
So if they get approval for 'Ultraviolet' or 'Lava Orange', it doesn't mean that 'Voodoo Blue' or 'Signal Yellow' will pass that test.
Eduardo, I don't get it, (I guess I'm dumb and I'm not looking for anyone to acknowledge this). So why would they have to do another feasibility test on a previously tested 'Voodoo Blue' or 'Signal Yellow', say on this current model GT3 that already passed? Is it due to the different material used on the roof?
News from dubai: just spending some days here and visited the porsche dealer today: they have 55 reservations and will get allocations of around 30! No allocations known yet! The most chosen colour will be by far orange cause it was the start colour in geneva, followed by white! Silver gt and purple almost not ordered yet! Maybe its of some importantce to some...
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