Consolidated 991RS thread
03-08-2014, 08:26 AM
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03-12-2014, 10:19 PM
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Well the regular 911's are going turbo together with, or soon after the .2 2015 facelift that we already have seen in spy pics and is introduced next year.
I can see a C2S with a tune being faster than a GT3, just like the TT.
Maybe that's why they hold back and don't give those models the regular PDK. Kinda like dumbing down the Caymans.
To me it than makes a lot of sense that the new 991RS will be Turbo and as such the new Turbo side air intakes on the prototypes is logical.
The new GT3RS Turbo, or no GT3RS but straight to the GT2RS or whatever they call it (GTSTT seems appropriate to me) would explain the PDK-S only GT3 also because it would the only n/a application.
Turbo's are much better matched with PDK-S than manuals, so this than could explain why they never bothered with the manual 7 speed or retrofit a six speed on the new GT3 engine..
They can than upgrade the .2RS with a Hybrid system to catch all the lag of the Turbo like in the 918 and at the same time they plop that power plant in the new 960.
All in all bad GT news all around. The last hope could be a n/a Cayman 475HP Cayman...
That would still be less HP than all the turbo stuff and so justifiably cheaper..
I can see a C2S with a tune being faster than a GT3, just like the TT.
Maybe that's why they hold back and don't give those models the regular PDK. Kinda like dumbing down the Caymans.
To me it than makes a lot of sense that the new 991RS will be Turbo and as such the new Turbo side air intakes on the prototypes is logical.
The new GT3RS Turbo, or no GT3RS but straight to the GT2RS or whatever they call it (GTSTT seems appropriate to me) would explain the PDK-S only GT3 also because it would the only n/a application.
Turbo's are much better matched with PDK-S than manuals, so this than could explain why they never bothered with the manual 7 speed or retrofit a six speed on the new GT3 engine..
They can than upgrade the .2RS with a Hybrid system to catch all the lag of the Turbo like in the 918 and at the same time they plop that power plant in the new 960.
All in all bad GT news all around. The last hope could be a n/a Cayman 475HP Cayman...
That would still be less HP than all the turbo stuff and so justifiably cheaper..
03-13-2014, 06:45 AM
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Well the regular 911's are going turbo together with, or soon after the .2 2015 facelift that we already have seen in spy pics and is introduced next year.
I can see a C2S with a tune being faster than a GT3, just like the TT.
Maybe that's why they hold back and don't give those models the regular PDK. Kinda like dumbing down the Caymans.
To me it than makes a lot of sense that the new 991RS will be Turbo and as such the new Turbo side air intakes on the prototypes is logical.
The new GT3RS Turbo, or no GT3RS but straight to the GT2RS or whatever they call it (GTSTT seems appropriate to me) would explain the PDK-S only GT3 also because it would the only n/a application.
Turbo's are much better matched with PDK-S than manuals, so this than could explain why they never bothered with the manual 7 speed or retrofit a six speed on the new GT3 engine..
They can than upgrade the .2RS with a Hybrid system to catch all the lag of the Turbo like in the 918 and at the same time they plop that power plant in the new 960.
All in all bad GT news all around. The last hope could be a n/a Cayman 475HP Cayman...
That would still be less HP than all the turbo stuff and so justifiably cheaper..
I can see a C2S with a tune being faster than a GT3, just like the TT.
Maybe that's why they hold back and don't give those models the regular PDK. Kinda like dumbing down the Caymans.
To me it than makes a lot of sense that the new 991RS will be Turbo and as such the new Turbo side air intakes on the prototypes is logical.
The new GT3RS Turbo, or no GT3RS but straight to the GT2RS or whatever they call it (GTSTT seems appropriate to me) would explain the PDK-S only GT3 also because it would the only n/a application.
Turbo's are much better matched with PDK-S than manuals, so this than could explain why they never bothered with the manual 7 speed or retrofit a six speed on the new GT3 engine..
They can than upgrade the .2RS with a Hybrid system to catch all the lag of the Turbo like in the 918 and at the same time they plop that power plant in the new 960.
All in all bad GT news all around. The last hope could be a n/a Cayman 475HP Cayman...
That would still be less HP than all the turbo stuff and so justifiably cheaper..
03-13-2014, 07:58 AM
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03-13-2014, 03:23 PM
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Come on guys. This is ridiculous. The GT3 RS will not get a turbo...
Look at the pictures of the black prototype. Yes it has the side intakes from the Turbo, but you don't see what is going to happen with it... just because one short-thinking journalist says "ah well if you have side intakes you must use them for intercoolers", you shouldn't jump on that.
There are no outlets for this air (like on a Turbo). Because this air is not used for intercoolers.
Look at the engine covers, those slits are way to small to allow a 3.8 or even bigger engine to suck enough air. Even if the engine is charged... Those openings are just big enough to get the air that is used for cooling the engine (look at the huge intake of the "normal" GT3 for comparison).
Therefore it is quite obvious that (as TRACKCAR said on the first post of this thread) the side inlets are just regular air intakes...
Maybe Porsche will build a GT2 / GT2 RS with a turbo charger based on the 991.. there I would watch for outlets on the sides of the exhaust pipes, like on the 991 Turbo or 997 GT2 RS
Look at the pictures of the black prototype. Yes it has the side intakes from the Turbo, but you don't see what is going to happen with it... just because one short-thinking journalist says "ah well if you have side intakes you must use them for intercoolers", you shouldn't jump on that.
There are no outlets for this air (like on a Turbo). Because this air is not used for intercoolers.
Look at the engine covers, those slits are way to small to allow a 3.8 or even bigger engine to suck enough air. Even if the engine is charged... Those openings are just big enough to get the air that is used for cooling the engine (look at the huge intake of the "normal" GT3 for comparison).
Therefore it is quite obvious that (as TRACKCAR said on the first post of this thread) the side inlets are just regular air intakes...
Maybe Porsche will build a GT2 / GT2 RS with a turbo charger based on the 991.. there I would watch for outlets on the sides of the exhaust pipes, like on the 991 Turbo or 997 GT2 RS
03-13-2014, 03:27 PM
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Come on guys. This is ridiculous. The GT3 RS will not get a turbo...
Look at the pictures of the black prototype. Yes it has the side intakes from the Turbo, but you don't see what is going to happen with it... just because one short-thinking journalist says "ah well if you have side intakes you must use them for intercoolers", you shouldn't jump on that.
There are no outlets for this air (like on a Turbo). Because this air is not used for intercoolers.
Look at the engine covers, those slits are way to small to allow a 3.8 or even bigger engine to suck enough air. Even if the engine is charged... Those openings are just big enough to get the air that is used for cooling the engine (look at the huge intake of the "normal" GT3 for comparison).
Therefore it is quite obvious that (as TRACKCAR) said on the first post of this thread that the side inlets are just regular air intakes...
Maybe Porsche will build a GT2 / GT2 RS with a turbo charger based on the 991.. there I would watch for outlets on the sides of the exhaust pipes, like on the 991 Turbo or 997 GT2 RS
Look at the pictures of the black prototype. Yes it has the side intakes from the Turbo, but you don't see what is going to happen with it... just because one short-thinking journalist says "ah well if you have side intakes you must use them for intercoolers", you shouldn't jump on that.
There are no outlets for this air (like on a Turbo). Because this air is not used for intercoolers.
Look at the engine covers, those slits are way to small to allow a 3.8 or even bigger engine to suck enough air. Even if the engine is charged... Those openings are just big enough to get the air that is used for cooling the engine (look at the huge intake of the "normal" GT3 for comparison).
Therefore it is quite obvious that (as TRACKCAR) said on the first post of this thread that the side inlets are just regular air intakes...
Maybe Porsche will build a GT2 / GT2 RS with a turbo charger based on the 991.. there I would watch for outlets on the sides of the exhaust pipes, like on the 991 Turbo or 997 GT2 RS
As someone else pointed out, due to homologation rules, I dont think GT3 spec cars can be FI powered.
03-13-2014, 03:47 PM
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The side inlets are used to feed the engine on 991 RSR, and it does not have the ram air scoop on the engine cover, whereas the 991 Cup does, and it does not have the side intakes.
They both do, however, use a Mezger derived engine.
Ho hum...
Best, w
They both do, however, use a Mezger derived engine.
Ho hum...
Best, w
03-13-2014, 03:49 PM
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really, any pictures of the engine bay showing the airbox?
03-13-2014, 04:23 PM
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I totally concur; although I dont think the TT side inlets are being used to feed the NA engine intake (they dont in the TT/S), I just dont think that this car has the production decklid/aero on it yet... I would imagine the RS will appear with a GT3-esque decklid that has the usual "ram" air scoops on it.
As someone else pointed out, due to homologation rules, I dont think GT3 spec cars can be FI powered.
As someone else pointed out, due to homologation rules, I dont think GT3 spec cars can be FI powered.
I think the prototype does not show "everything". But you need air for the engine, even on the prototype... therefore I don't think they just use the Turbo side inlets for the prototype and get the air scoop for the real car. This would just mess up the whole packaging of the rear... you don't do that.
wurlie,
it doesn't matter if the engine is Mezger or Chinese to get the air from the sides
So therefore not really a point. Maybe Porsche might use the side inlets to make a marketing link between RSR and RS.