Consolidated 991RS thread
11-12-2014, 02:00 PM
#2522
Drifting
Any more light to shed on the "new" engine?
11-12-2014, 02:14 PM
#2523
11-12-2014, 02:24 PM
#2524
You can't use straight Euro to $ conversion rates to price the car- taxes, currency hedging and pricing strategy all come into play. If it was a straight conversion the GT3 would be a 177k base car in the US, not 130.
Instead you look at where the model fits in the lineup, what the discount from Europe to the US is, etc. 192 Euro would be 2/3 of the way between the Turbo and Turbo S- that would be 172 here. The GT3's 27% discount vs the straight conversion price would give you about 176k in the US. Thus if the 192 euro number is right, I expect low to mid 170s US base.
Instead you look at where the model fits in the lineup, what the discount from Europe to the US is, etc. 192 Euro would be 2/3 of the way between the Turbo and Turbo S- that would be 172 here. The GT3's 27% discount vs the straight conversion price would give you about 176k in the US. Thus if the 192 euro number is right, I expect low to mid 170s US base.
11-12-2014, 03:01 PM
#2525
Think you will find that the 50% increased traction, is in relation to both aero improvement's and tyre tech, also I would expect the must haves, ie CCBDs, LEDs, Nav, etc will push the RRP up.
11-12-2014, 03:12 PM
#2526
Racer
No RWS,reason as told the other time for racing homologation...
About the engine,"new" i think becouse is not the same 4.0 of the RS 4.0.
And about the 50% more traction,well i don't understand too,but i think that with "more" tyres,downforce,etc. the car can put down better the power
Ah,my source saw the car(orange)and tell me looks really GREAT,and is like the model car i posted last week,air intakes etc..
Last thing,a guy that saw a RS mule in Italy last week at a gas station tell that has a different steering wheel respect a standard 991...maybe we are lucky and we find on the 918's one.
About the engine,"new" i think becouse is not the same 4.0 of the RS 4.0.
And about the 50% more traction,well i don't understand too,but i think that with "more" tyres,downforce,etc. the car can put down better the power
Ah,my source saw the car(orange)and tell me looks really GREAT,and is like the model car i posted last week,air intakes etc..
Last thing,a guy that saw a RS mule in Italy last week at a gas station tell that has a different steering wheel respect a standard 991...maybe we are lucky and we find on the 918's one.
11-12-2014, 03:26 PM
#2527
No RWS,reason as told the other time for racing homologation...
About the engine,"new" i think becouse is not the same 4.0 of the RS 4.0.
And about the 50% more traction,well i don't understand too,but i think that with "more" tyres,downforce,etc. the car can put down better the power
Ah,my source saw the car(orange)and tell me looks really GREAT,and is like the model car i posted last week,air intakes etc..
Last thing,a guy that saw a RS mule in Italy last week at a gas station tell that has a different steering wheel respect a standard 991...maybe we are lucky and we find on the 918's one.
About the engine,"new" i think becouse is not the same 4.0 of the RS 4.0.
And about the 50% more traction,well i don't understand too,but i think that with "more" tyres,downforce,etc. the car can put down better the power
Ah,my source saw the car(orange)and tell me looks really GREAT,and is like the model car i posted last week,air intakes etc..
Last thing,a guy that saw a RS mule in Italy last week at a gas station tell that has a different steering wheel respect a standard 991...maybe we are lucky and we find on the 918's one.
11-12-2014, 03:57 PM
#2528
respectfully, do not agree with the RWS not being at least an option....
11-12-2014, 04:06 PM
#2529
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If the car does not have RWS and if their claim that RWS added the equivalent of 50-60 hp (not sure exactly how much) to the base GT3, it will be interesting to see how much faster the car is on tracks and it may make sense why the rumor of it lapping the ring at 7:20 with "only" a 5 second improvement over the GT3 may be true.
Pete. The Italian pricing is a bit mis leading. The German pricing based on Darios information would suggest a 50K increase over the base GT3. I think 180K USD is more likely. although the USD has strengthened since the 991 GT3 which may help ensure it stays in the 170s.
11-12-2014, 04:07 PM
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If the car does not have RWS and if their claim that RWS added the equivalent of 50-60 hp (not sure exactly how much) to the base GT3, it will be interesting to see how much faster the car is on tracks and it may make sense why the rumor of it lapping the ring at 7:20 with "only" a 5 second improvement over the GT3 may be true.
11-12-2014, 04:11 PM
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Here is the info I got today, from what I believe to be a legitimate source:
- 918's will be all sold shortly. 300 in the U.S.
- Only 600 GT3RS total will come to the U.S. (Including RS cars going to 918 owners)
So, some simple math is pretty depressing. 600 cars minus (up to) 300 for 918 owners, leaves 300 cars to be allocated across 300 dealers in the US.
Seems nuts to me
- 918's will be all sold shortly. 300 in the U.S.
- Only 600 GT3RS total will come to the U.S. (Including RS cars going to 918 owners)
So, some simple math is pretty depressing. 600 cars minus (up to) 300 for 918 owners, leaves 300 cars to be allocated across 300 dealers in the US.
Seems nuts to me
The 997.2 RS was only 1600 units worldwide so that does not make this new RS that rare.
11-12-2014, 04:30 PM
#2532
Drifting
600 .2 RS 4.0
I believe ~2200 RS of some stripe
during the 7.2 generation worked out to more RS than non-RS. Or at least similar.
11-12-2014, 04:45 PM
#2533
without RWS it will be less meaningful BHP than a GT3, don't see it...the RS is a tech showcase, I would also expect to see faster gear shifts along with next Gen in CCBDs also.
IMHO
IMHO
Last edited by Apolo1; 11-12-2014 at 05:18 PM.
11-12-2014, 04:50 PM
#2534
If the car does not have RWS and if their claim that RWS added the equivalent of 50-60 hp (not sure exactly how much) to the base GT3, it will be interesting to see how much faster the car is on tracks and it may make sense why the rumor of it lapping the ring at 7:20 with "only" a 5 second improvement over the GT3 may be true.
Porsche "likes to be fastest". When the GT-R published a video lap doing 7:29 at the ring, Porsche green-lighted project code 727 - the GT2 RS - to put them in their place. By whatever means necessary. Today Nissan boasts of 7:08, and while we all know the Nismo is so tuned for the 'Ring that it can't run anywhere near that well anywhere else, Porsche must again feel the need to respond. The 458 Speciale and ZR-1/ upcoming Z06 must also be on their radar.
The GT3 RS is the car Porsche has to respond with at the moment, and 7:20 seconds doesn't seem like a "suitable" response, "homologation" of the RWS be damned. Thus I'd be surprised if it wasn't quicker- call it 7:15 or better. Like any good engineers Porsche designs to targets, and they do what's required to hit those targets. As yourself- if you were in their shoes choosing a 'Ring target for the RS, what would it be?
Macca- why work from German pricing if he's in Italy?
11-12-2014, 05:07 PM
#2535
Racer
Italian and German prices are not so different...
About the lack of RWS...don't know what to tell,but two different sources tell the same thing...hope they are wrong,but with RWS slicks are not allowed,maybe without yes?!?!
I read somewhere that the ring time seems far better than 7.20
About the lack of RWS...don't know what to tell,but two different sources tell the same thing...hope they are wrong,but with RWS slicks are not allowed,maybe without yes?!?!
I read somewhere that the ring time seems far better than 7.20